Illegal Payouts

[N&B]

have been discovered by Mohegan Sun. Six are arrested, including a dealer for illegal payouts of $16,000 according to WFSB TV3 in Hartford, CT.

UNCASVILLE, Conn. -- A blackjack dealer and five customers have been charged with trying to cheat the Mohegan Sun Casino.

Surveillance personell reported the scam. Police say *******, the 28-year-old dealer from Plainfield, was handing out winnings to which the customers were not entitled.

They say he conspired with 21-year-old **********, 21, of New York, and 21-year-old ******** of Philadelphia to cheat the casino out of more than $16,000.

Three other customers, 33-year-old ******** of Elmont, N.Y., 45-year-old ******** of Stamford and 42-year-old ******** of Willimantic accepted less than $250 from the dealer at the table to which they were not entitled.

All six face larceny charges and are scheduled to appear Oct. 2 in Norwich Superior Court.

 

[callipygian]

They say he conspired with 21-year-old *********, 21, of New York, and 21-year-old ********* of Philadelphia to cheat the casino out of more than $16,000.

Three other customers, 33-year-old ******** of Elmont, N.Y., 45-year-old ********** of Stamford and 42-year-old ********* of Willimantic accepted less than $250 from the dealer at the table to which they were not entitled.

Age discrimination! :laugh:

 

[N&B]

Get over it... they proscecuted for under $250, be careful of mistaken payoffs on a large bet.

 

[Jeff Dubya]

be careful of mistaken payoffs on a large bet.

Reminds me of another recent conversation. Anyone more or less likely to take that dealer mistake now?

I wonder what the legal threshold is for an illegal payout - that was something I had not considered.

 

[bjhack]

Reminds me of another recent conversation. Anyone more or less likely to take that dealer mistake now?

I wonder what the legal threshold is for an illegal payout - that was something I had not considered.

As you are, I'm curious as to what the due diligence threshold is... I'm sure anyone that has played BJ for any period of time has received an undeserved payoff (I know I have) - perhaps without realizing it (and the opposite is probably just as true - a loss that isn't a loss).

 

[N&B]

I never have. If the house is willing to offer a fair game, I'll play fair, too.

 

[callipygian]

I wonder what the legal threshold is for an illegal payout - that was something I had not considered.

I wouldn't be surprised if the threshold dealt with intention, not with amount.

 

[ihate17]

Amount is relative

I wouldn't be surprised if the threshold dealt with intention, not with amount.

I agree. Payhing out 10 grand by mistake to a $100 bettor would definately establish a pattern that could be proved to be intentional, but what if the guy bet 5 or 10 grand a hand, it could be one dealer mistake and simply be an error.
The casino should have back up video which would tend to show intent but I wonder if the 4 folks who received small amounts were just at the wrong table at the wrong time.

ihate17

 

[shadroch]

I suspect the little fish were newcomers to the scheme,turned in by their confederates in an act of showing cooperation.

 

[Jeff Dubya]

I wouldn't be surprised if the threshold dealt with intention, not with amount.

Hmmm...

Intent is usually a deciding factor, but often difficult to prove or disprove.

I can't imagine not assessing the amount to prove intent. For that much money, you would have to be a freaking idiot not to notice...

 

[N&B]

There really isn't much coming out on this around here. But I really haven't turned over all the rocks yet. I am also wondering if this $16k was over a period of time. That is to say these perps were regulars, and maybe lifted a grand a session. Over time the eye got wise and looked back in time. I highly doubt this was a one-off grand-larceny. If it was, these were big bets, and stupid peeps.

As I just went googling up pops this one I heard nothing about until now...
http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/2008/09/more-on-connecticut-foxwoods-and.htm

 

[I just like semi-circles]

Take this for what it's worth... I was at Foxwoods a couple days ago and was talking to the pit boss (who was previously a pit boss at Mohegan). He says this had been going on for a while at Mohegan. . He said there were others involved, including both pit and more importantly,surveillance (which might explain why they got away with it for a while, or at least thought they would get away with it). He also said he was approached to get in on something like this when he was working at Mohegan, but wasn't willing to risk his job and jail over it. He had no reason to BS me, and he sounded very matter of fact and sincere to me.

 

[I just like semi-circles]

Sorry.. I should have clicked the link given by N&B before I posted. Kind of confirms what I was told by the Foxwoods pit boss.

 

[shadroch]

Take this for what it's worth... I was at Foxwoods a couple days ago and was talking to the pit boss (who was previously a pit boss at Mohegan). He says this had been going on for a while at Mohegan. . He said there were others involved, including both pit and more importantly,surveillance (which might explain why they got away with it for a while, or at least thought they would get away with it). He also said he was approached to get in on something like this when he was working at Mohegan, but wasn't willing to risk his job and jail over it. He had no reason to BS me, and he sounded very matter of fact and sincere to me.

Actually,if he was approached about a scheme and didn't report it,he could lose his gaming license in most jurisdictions.