I was playing DD pitch sitting at first base with two other players when I got Blackjack on my two unit bet. The dealer paid me immediatly, but failed to pick-up my cards. The dealer continued on and busted one player as the other one split his hand, inwhich increased the count for a four unit bet so I capped my two unit bet to four, and pulled back my one unit win, while the dealer paid the guy with the split at third base. When she turned back to me she said, I thought I paid you, I was stunned as the dealer quickly paid me blackjack the second time, only this time on my 4 unit bet, for a total of six units. The same dealer later drew a five card 21 and announced she busted, and paid everbody at the table, I think I was the only one at the table that even saw it.
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clearly your experience is very limited. a good AP will never be shorted on payouts. and if you're referring to variance accounting for you taking miss payouts in your favour and somehow making sure that you lose more money via normal play then may the BJ gods be with you, because reason certainly isn't.tedloc said:
Tedloc I was playing with green units and without offending anyone the whole reason for learning to count was to get away from those Gambling Gods, Hunch Plays, and House advantage. I also on the same trip, different session, in a good count I had put a double down with a max bet out and won 12 units, in my excitment I pulled back my win first. Then to see the dealer re-deal the cards before I could pull back my double bet left in the bet circle. The count had tanked, and I lost the 12 units. My fault, I should have pulled back my bet before pulling my win back. The point, if the dealer makes a mistake in my favor I don't sweat it. I know that I will also make mistakes in their favor, I wish I did not but I do. If I were to feel guilty for taking the casino's money, then I should give-up counting and go back to playing BS. However as an advantage player I will take advantage of every weakness in the game, short of cheating, including dealer mistakestedloc said:
creeping panther
Banned
Tennbear
The dealer is just trying to make a living, like all of us and your actions put that dealers job in great jeopardy. It is not so much the mistake on the face of it, certainly a new dealer, but the issue to the EYE as to....intent.
If I were you I would have quietly called this error to the dealers attention. This dealer, with the mistakes you mention ,could *appear* to be working with a player, (you).
Creeping Panther
The dealer is just trying to make a living, like all of us and your actions put that dealers job in great jeopardy. It is not so much the mistake on the face of it, certainly a new dealer, but the issue to the EYE as to....intent.
If I were you I would have quietly called this error to the dealers attention. This dealer, with the mistakes you mention ,could *appear* to be working with a player, (you).
Creeping Panther
zengrifter
Banned
Assuming that there are a lot of incorrect payouts and that you will catch the short ones, the overpays are part of your AP mission. It won't create bad karma, it is the good karma. zgbluewhale said:
moo321
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It could get you into some hot water. But it's certainly not any kind of proof, and it's too much EV to leave on the table (6 1/2 free units). I seriously doubt there would be any prosecution coming your way; worst case scenario would be an 86, and most likely would be your picture taken with a note that you are a suspicious character.creeping panther said:
BJ Karma - ?
Two days ago I was playing at Seneca Casino Niagara. Dealer paid me on a push. I told dealer that I had pushed and he removed the chips. The only reason I informed dealer was player next to me said quietly to me, "Nice win." My four hour session ended shortly thereafter losing approximately $500. I left table and was going to my room and passed roulette wheel. I have never player this game once in my life. I was looking for the number 59. (age) I had one green in pocket and remembered number 17. Never forgot this age because I screwed my high school math teacher that summer.
"What the hell," I said to myself and put the green on 17. Well, now you know the end of story. The ball stopped on 17. I never even got excited because I didn't realize odds. Next thing I know was dealer handing me one purple and four blacks. Quite the rush. I'll never play roulette again and will again never forget this number. I don't believe in Karma but will never play at Seneca Niagara again because it has turned out to be a grind out joint. Since the last time I played there in April all but four blackjack tables have CSM's, with the exception of high roller room where they deal a good six deck game with a $100 minimum. In addition, WV will start dealing blackjack no later than December 1st. It's only a half hour drive from my home. No more four hour drive and they can shove the Falls up their a**.
Two days ago I was playing at Seneca Casino Niagara. Dealer paid me on a push. I told dealer that I had pushed and he removed the chips. The only reason I informed dealer was player next to me said quietly to me, "Nice win." My four hour session ended shortly thereafter losing approximately $500. I left table and was going to my room and passed roulette wheel. I have never player this game once in my life. I was looking for the number 59. (age) I had one green in pocket and remembered number 17. Never forgot this age because I screwed my high school math teacher that summer.
"What the hell," I said to myself and put the green on 17. Well, now you know the end of story. The ball stopped on 17. I never even got excited because I didn't realize odds. Next thing I know was dealer handing me one purple and four blacks. Quite the rush. I'll never play roulette again and will again never forget this number. I don't believe in Karma but will never play at Seneca Niagara again because it has turned out to be a grind out joint. Since the last time I played there in April all but four blackjack tables have CSM's, with the exception of high roller room where they deal a good six deck game with a $100 minimum. In addition, WV will start dealing blackjack no later than December 1st. It's only a half hour drive from my home. No more four hour drive and they can shove the Falls up their a**.
aslan
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When I gamble at pool, if my opponent has a reputation for cheating, I don't inform him if, for example, I foul the cue ball, but his head is turned. On the other hand, if he's a stand-up guy and wouldn't cheat me, I call the foul on myself. It's hard to apply this principle to BJ, but I have had dealers who seemed to be deliberately underpaying me, and others whose attitude suggested they would cheat me in a heartbeat. With those I don't mind letting them make mistakes. But most dealers are honest, hardworking people and I think I should call mistakes to their attention, although in the heat of battle, I must admit I have sometimes let them stand without question. I need to work on that.
SilentBob420BMFJ
Banned
you treat the casino like this? the same casino that offers horrible games and preys on gambling addicts, and the same casino that if you were .5 seconds late taking down a huge bet, they would say "put it back"? casinos make lots of money, and they will 86 you for using your brain.. i dont see cheating in any way unethical, as its a casino, let alone something that isnt cheating, such as taking advantage of casino error (their problem)tedloc said:
you should have reached and taken it back, and the dealer couldnt have said anything because you had 2 stacks out, thus proving she made a mistake, so you should at least be able to take down 1 of the stacks, if not both.. well said on your post, the casino doesnt care, and would "cheat" you, so screw themTENNBEAR said:
Paid for a push
This most recent trip to the MS Gulf Coast had me playing DD at Island View one evening. I was in the center seat straight out from the dealer. I received a four or five card nineteen and pushed with the dealer. When the hand was over the dealer paid my hand. The man sitting at third base saw it and knew, I saw the look on his face, and he looked back at the dealers hand and mine again. He never said anything......and neither did I! I also avoided eye contact. I don't know why, but I did. I waited until the dealer cleared all the cards and did a sweep for the bets for the next hand. While the dealer did his sweep, I pulled my winning stack back and left my bet the same. I don't feel bad and I don't feel like I did anything wrong. I gave the dealer plenty of time to correct his error, and if it was that important to the casino, they could have come down later and corrected it. I played for about an additional hour. No other errors!
I posted on another thread about a year ago about getting paid twice for a BJ. It was at Isle of Capri. The dealer paid my BJ. He took my cards and proceeded to the remaining players. I took my winnings off and left my other chips in the betting circle for the next hand. The dealer finished the other players hands and played his hand out. He busted and started at third base and paid every player on the table with money in a circle, including me (again). Even with no cards! Every time I play at Isle, I look for this dealer and try to get in on his game. If you socialize, you can get him out of his zone real easy! He has trouble doing two things at one time.:laugh:
This most recent trip to the MS Gulf Coast had me playing DD at Island View one evening. I was in the center seat straight out from the dealer. I received a four or five card nineteen and pushed with the dealer. When the hand was over the dealer paid my hand. The man sitting at third base saw it and knew, I saw the look on his face, and he looked back at the dealers hand and mine again. He never said anything......and neither did I! I also avoided eye contact. I don't know why, but I did. I waited until the dealer cleared all the cards and did a sweep for the bets for the next hand. While the dealer did his sweep, I pulled my winning stack back and left my bet the same. I don't feel bad and I don't feel like I did anything wrong. I gave the dealer plenty of time to correct his error, and if it was that important to the casino, they could have come down later and corrected it. I played for about an additional hour. No other errors!
I posted on another thread about a year ago about getting paid twice for a BJ. It was at Isle of Capri. The dealer paid my BJ. He took my cards and proceeded to the remaining players. I took my winnings off and left my other chips in the betting circle for the next hand. The dealer finished the other players hands and played his hand out. He busted and started at third base and paid every player on the table with money in a circle, including me (again). Even with no cards! Every time I play at Isle, I look for this dealer and try to get in on his game. If you socialize, you can get him out of his zone real easy! He has trouble doing two things at one time.:laugh: