Increasing bets and not getting caught

[BBjoe]

When you have a large positive lead on a total count with only two or three decks left on a 6 or 8 deck table how do you increase your bets without the casino getting wise to it. I've heard of people betting 10 times as many units when it's hot but isn't that betting strategy alone enough to get the attention of the casino? How do you counter this? Lose some big bets immediately afterwards on purpose. Designate a certain percentage of your wins to lose? Bet it all and lose on roulette?

 

[sagefr0g]

When you have a large positive lead on a total count with only two or three decks left on a 6 or 8 deck table how do you increase your bets without the casino getting wise to it. I've heard of people betting 10 times as many units when it's hot but isn't that betting strategy alone enough to get the attention of the casino? How do you counter this? Lose some big bets immediately afterwards on purpose. Designate a certain percentage of your wins to lose? Bet it all and lose on roulette?

your kidding about the roulette right?
most joints don't sweat the action on six or eight deck games like they may do on single or double deck. especially if your playing low limit tables nickle and dime tables that is. even quarter tables aren't going to sweat the action if you limit your time at them. you can limit your play to around an hour and that will help you escape a lot of heat.
you don't want to counter heat by losing big bets. your bottom line is to short to be giving up money at such a rate. what you want to do is kill two birds with one stone if possible. for example sometimes i find the pit watching me when i'm about to wong out. so instead of leaving i'll stay (at least a while). so now i'm stuck in a negative shoe for a while with the pit watching. so i'll definately be betting low and maybe take the opportunity (especially if the count has dropped exceedingly low) to hit a dealers low card when i've got a stiff hand. if the pit knows counting and basic strategy they will know this is an incorrect play and thats good camo for me. the funny thng is a play such as that in a very negative shoe has such a narrow margin that i might just pick up a 21, 20 or passable hand and even win the play. the scenerio i just described is not really a conventially accepted camo play there are others that have the ev's figured more exactingly by the experts but i don't use them as i prefer to play such rare moves when is see it will have the greatest psychological effect on the pit.
there are many other methods of camo actions described in the literature.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[BBjoe]

How do you know if the pit is watching you? Usually when I play I have to concentrate entirely on the game.

And yes, I was joking about the roulette table.

 

[BBjoe]

Also, I don't often play at Vegas casino's but local California indian casinos. Their maximum bet is usually $1000 and minimum is anywhere between $5 and $25 usually.

Would switching from $20 a hand to $100 or $200 catch anyones attention? Especially at the end of a shoe?

 

[sagefr0g]

How do you know if the pit is watching you? Usually when I play I have to concentrate entirely on the game.

you got to figure they are watching you all the time. there is the eye in sky for one thing. and even if a pit critter is not standing right over you glaring and breathing down your neck (which is one of their techniques) you gotta figure they got one eye on you even when they aren't paying particular attention. so they can be obvious and not so obvious. and what you want to do is try and keep your actions not so obvious while putting up a front that you want the pit to see.

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Would switching from $20 a hand to $100 or $200 catch anyones attention? Especially at the end of a shoe?

i can't answer that question. what i would say is make your bets the way you need to so that you can realize your ev. when the time comes to push those big chips out there you need to do it as those times are few and far between and if missed you'll just be sitting there letting your bankroll be drained away with waiting bets. when you do make your big bets it's a good time to monitor the pit with out being obvious to see if you can figure whether or not they are taking any interest or feigning disinterest. if you percieve heat you might just want to chill out for a while after you take full advantage of what ever good count you have going.
you'll catch on how to play the cat and mouse game as time goes on.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[Canceler]

Would switching from $20 a hand to $100 or $200 catch anyones attention? Especially at the end of a shoe?

It might.

A lot of people ramp their bets, following a schedule that tells them what to bet at each count. Or you can raise your bet only after a win, to make things seem more natural.

Jumping your bet as you've described might constitute "being obvious" or "rubbing their noses in it".