I'm Curious about something regarding certain indices. I've have read Qfit's Modern Blackjack, and I really like his reKO counting system. I understand that the pivot point for indices to be played is +2. However, my local casino has LS and I didn't see in the book where that is addressed if at all (i probably missed it). I have BS down pat for counts below +2, but now I'm trying to learn even more. Does the LS change anything above +2? E.g. - 16 v 10 (below +2) = surrender. 16 v 10 (+2 and above) = still surrender or stand? Thanks.
Indices for LS games.
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Automatic Monkey
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You can: always surrender 16 vs. 10, surrender 15 vs. 10 if the RC is 0 or less.dilbert46 said:
Surrender 14 vs. 10, 15 vs. 9, and 15 vs. A at your pivot point. Also, 88 vs. 10, but I don't know if that's in the book. It can save your night though!
RIght, thats the book I read, but I couldn't find if those indices hold true for games with LS as well as without LS. What I'm confused about is this: in the book it says to stand 16 v 10 (for example) when the count is +2 and above versus hitting when the count is below that (in a no surrender game). But BS says to surrender 16 v 10. So do I disregard the indices and surrender regardless of the count? Or is there a point where I disregard BS and play my hand and not surrender?
Automatic Monkey
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The count where you would not surrender 16 vs. 10 is very low, so low you shouldn't even be playing the game.dilbert46 said:
So on a 2-card 16 vs. 10, always surrender. On a multi-card 16 vs. 10, you stand on any positive count, which is a point well below the pivot point. In reality you can stand on any 16 vs. 10 you can't surrender and it won't affect your results very much at all.
Gotcha, so the difference is a two card 16 vs a 3 or more card hand 16. So if I were to write a rule out for this, it would read: 16 v 10 - surrender, otherwise hit (below +2), or surrender, otherwise stand (+2 and above), right? (This would be for my local game: 6d, h17, da2) Thanks guys...
Hand composition????
What does hand composition have to do with surrendering 16 vs 10? Im not up on the differences with unbalanced counts and I know KO has a really weak playing efficiency. Is the PE that bad that you would trust hand composition rather than your count on such an easy surrender decision.Automatic Monkey said:
Automatic Monkey
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Well, no, and if you find a game that lets you surrender on 3 or 4 cards, use the surrender index!tthree said:
Zero
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You wouldn't be "disregard[ing] the indices" by surrendering 16 v T at a count of +2 or above. An index is a point at which you deviate from BS. If the game offers surrender, you would always surrender a 16 v T (and all the rest of the red squares on page 51), no matter what the count is. There is no index, at least in REKO, where you deviate from this BS (as AM indicated, the real index for not surrendering a 16 v T would be negative, and REKO has chosen not to use negative indexes). If the count reaches +2, you would also surrender the four hands in the "Surrender" column on page 73. The "Stand" column on page 73 is for games that do not offer surrender or for hands you would not surrender according to BS. HTHdilbert46 said:
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