Instead of not splitting tens at all

FrankieT

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Why not start splitting tens with min bet out so it doesn't appear as abrupt when you do it during high counts.

I noticed on casino verite that the cost of not splitting tens on high counts is pretty high. The same for insurance.
 
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gamblingghost

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FrankieT said:
Why not start splitting tens with min bet out so it doesn't appear as abrupt when you do it during high counts.

I noticed on casino verite that the cost of not splitting tens on high counts is pretty high.

Also it might be good to take insurance often on low counts to disguise high count insurance. Insurance is another thing that is costly if you don't do it.
Because it is very unlikely to be barred for splitting tens. Play that to your best advantage.
 

Friendo

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FrankieT said:
I noticed on casino verite that the cost of not splitting tens on high counts is pretty high. The same for insurance.
That always bothers me, because I think of insurance as a carny sidebet, almost beneath my dignity - such as it is.

But I can't afford not to take it, as it is such a healthy chunk of my EV, and I only need win it just over 1/3 of the time in order for it to pay off.
 

pit15

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Friendo said:
That always bothers me, because I think of insurance as a carny sidebet, almost beneath my dignity - such as it is.

But I can't afford not to take it, as it is such a healthy chunk of my EV, and I only need win it just over 1/3 of the time in order for it to pay off.
I think of insurance as a guaranteed 2 to 1 payoff.

It's not a carny sidebet if you have additional information.

If there's a 33.34% - 100% chance that downcard is a 10 then it's not a shitty sidebet anymore.
 
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moo321

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Who even started this "ten splitting gets you barred rumor"? I don't think I've seen it bring down heat one time that I wasn't getting it already.

I think this bit of misinformation needs to get buried. If you're protecting a non-counting game, I understand not splitting tens. But if you're playing pitch especially, these indices are worth a lot.
 

pit15

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moo321 said:
Who even started this "ten splitting gets you barred rumor"? I don't think I've seen it bring down heat one time that I wasn't getting it already.

I think this bit of misinformation needs to get buried. If you're protecting a non-counting game, I understand not splitting tens. But if you're playing pitch especially, these indices are worth a lot.
Splitting 10s is perfectly fine in a non-counting game. It's hitting hard 17+ that you want to avoid
 

tthree

Banned
pit15 said:
Splitting 10s is perfectly fine in a non-counting game. It's hitting hard 17+ that you want to avoid
One of the only time I played H17, I hit hard 17 v A a lot, maybe more than I should have. I kept pulling a 4 for 21. The suits started inspecting the cards. It's the only time I've ever seen anything like that.
 

pit15

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tthree said:
One of the only time I played H17, I hit hard 17 v A a lot, maybe more than I should have. I kept pulling a 4 for 21. The suits started inspecting the cards. It's the only time I've ever seen anything like that.
no doubt they were checking if the cards were marked.

Were you counting, just playing a hunch, or had something else going on?

If it's the latter that's exactly the reason most players avoid that play, if not... that's exactly the reason the reason most players who do have something going on avoid that play. Even if you didn't have something going on the play brings heat.
 

FrankieT

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pit15 said:
no doubt they were checking if the cards were marked.

Were you counting, just playing a hunch, or had something else going on?

If it's the latter that's exactly the reason most players avoid that play, if not... that's exactly the reason the reason most players who do have something going on avoid that play. Even if you didn't have something going on the play brings heat.
You bring up a good point. You might get even more heat because of HC paranoia - they probably grow 10 times more paranoid over suspect holecarding as opposed to counting.

Of course when they see that 95% of your plays are perfectly sane they might breath a sigh of relief and have a drink of scotch and zone out the rest of your stay.
 
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