Interesting Host/Comp Story

Dyepaintball12

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My friend and I went to Vegas in January for fun with some friends and since we had played on the same team last year we both were valued guests in this casino.

Anyway he usually booked his offers through the casino call line but I gave him the name of my host since I found you can get better perks that way.

So my friend calls the host, books the offer in a nice suite. Then a week later he calls her up to get a limo from the airport and a bottle of champagne sent to his room when he arrives. No problem.

When he arrives at the hotel, the front desk agent says he is booked in a regular room. Since he had 3 guests he is not happy and says "No, I'm booked in a suite. Host A confirmed it." So the front desk worker calls the host's office, calls the host at home, and emails the host. No answer.

So at this point the front desk agent gives him 2 choices: 1) He can wait and not check-in until they reach the host, probably tomorrow or 2) Pay the extra $75 a night for the upgrade and try to figure it out later with the host.

He decides to front the money and meet with the host tomorrow. Its only $75 a night and he had played large amounts in the past right? So the next day he goes and talks to the host who says "Why did you upgrade your room?" and he explains that she promised him the suite and she says "Well after the fact it will be very hard for me to get this comped. You shouldn't have upgraded it without talking to me." "I couldn't get a hold of you and you said I had the suite!" "Okay, I will talk to my boss"

A day later he still had not heard from her, so he finds her at the hosts desk. She says she is still trying but since he had not played this trip she doesn't think she can do it. (he had NOT planned on playing this trip which I said would hurt him)

Anyway I suggest he go and talk to the Executive Host who is a very nice lady and he does. The Executive Host says it is up to the host to fix it but he explains how he was promised a suite and then ended up paying for it. So the host looks up his play and says "well you haven't played at all...". He responds with "I was not going to play until I get my suite comped like I was promised!" (It would be about a $150 comp)

The Executive Host says its so hard to comp after he already paid for it so she can't do it. I told him to threaten to never play there again and say he was going to move to the Aria or Bellagio.

She said she couldn't comp it.

He was pissed - I thought it was funny that they have us down as $300/bet players but since he didn't play this trip even the Host and Executive Host refused to cover his $75/night upgrade claiming it was "too hard after the fact".
 
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shadroch

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When I'm planning on stiffing a casino, i certainly wouldn't be going out of my way to make sure they know I'm not playing there.
does the phrase 'What have you done for me lately " mean anything to you?
You seriously expected a host to go upstairs and tell them she wanted to comp an already paid for room for someone who hasn't played a single hand this trip?
 

blackjackomaha

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Dyepaintball12 said:
If you had a host promise you a suite, and then take it away and blame you for it, you wouldn't be mad?
I agree. You were never told "if you have X number of hours of play at Y $ per hand, we'll comp your suite." Your friend was promised a comped suite based on previous play and anticipated future play, the host should have honored it.
 

moo321

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I'll tell you what, if I was there, that suite would've been comped, upgraded, and we would've eaten $500 at the steakhouse! :)

What a bunch of scumbags. The problem is, it's hard to have any real indignation, because really, I'm costing the casino money in the long run. Fake indignation, though, I have plenty of.
 

shadroch

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blackjackomaha said:
I agree. You were never told "if you have X number of hours of play at Y $ per hand, we'll comp your suite." Your friend was promised a comped suite based on previous play and anticipated future play, the host should have honored it.
Comps are based on you playing at your historic levels, as well as being a reward for past play. Many casino websites- Harrahs, Trop, Four Queens mention this in small print.
 

Machinist

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Possibly the jig could be up boys.......I have found that if the hosts are a liittle wish washy........something is usually afoot......Not always, just a real possibility..

Machinist
 

blackjackomaha

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shadroch said:
Comps are based on you playing at your historic levels, as well as being a reward for past play. Many casino websites- Harrahs, Trop, Four Queens mention this in small print.
Yep, pretty much what I said. OP's friend was offered a comp based on previous play. This, in addition to the hosts' promises, should have been reason enough for them to honor the comps!

Perhaps they're just getting more stingy? I've had more trouble getting some of the same comps that I got last year for the same amount of play.
 

21forme

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That's why I avoid hosts. I'd rather stay under the radar and have a smaller room, or even pay for a room once in a while, than call attention to my play in any way.
 

Billy C1

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Varies from store to store but------

21forme said:
That's why I avoid hosts. I'd rather stay under the radar and have a smaller room, or even pay for a room once in a while, than call attention to my play in any way.
I've usually been able to find a "balancing act" of sorts.

BillyC1
 

shadroch

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blackjackomaha said:
Yep, pretty much what I said. OP's friend was offered a comp based on previous play. This, in addition to the hosts' promises, should have been reason enough for them to honor the comps!

Perhaps they're just getting more stingy? I've had more trouble getting some of the same comps that I got last year for the same amount of play.
You are only reading what you want to read. The rooms are comped IF you play at your historic level. If not, they reserve the right to charge you for them.
 

blackjackomaha

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shadroch said:
You are only reading what you want to read. The rooms are comped IF you play at your historic level. If not, they reserve the right to charge you for them.
Is it different place to place then? I know players that have RFB comps without necessarily playing on those certain trips. Because of that, I assumed that as long as you meet a certain playing threshold, your comps are safe? I didn't think a one-time little to no play stay would eliminate a fairly "cheap" comp.
 

MeWin$

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Its

Its all subjective, especially when you get to the RFB level.

If youre a good player to them, theyre not going to cut you off for one trip without play, but if you do it too much i would surmise youre comps will go down in the future.
 

NightStalker

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happened all the time..

Dyepaintball12 said:
If you had a host promise you a suite, and then take it away and blame you for it, you wouldn't be mad?
Bl00dy Aria/Mirage has done the same several times. They even have declined the show tix as promised in the offer.
 

blackjack avenger

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Agree

21forme said:
That's why I avoid hosts. I'd rather stay under the radar and have a smaller room, or even pay for a room once in a while, than call attention to my play in any way.
I tend to agree with this, staying within the computer generated comp system. However, sometimes a person can grant more then a computer.

When some talk of the value of comps, this time consuming haggling and schmoozing needs to be considered. Also, the cost of when they are eventually stopped. Perhaps after a marginal ev play

I also agree with Shadroch, they expect you to play. If he would have put in a large play; especially if posted a loss, things probably would have been worked out. If you come in on their dime shouldn't they expect you to play? The idea of comps is to entice gamblers to come back and lose more then the value of the comp.
 
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shadroch

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blackjackomaha said:
Is it different place to place then? I know players that have RFB comps without necessarily playing on those certain trips. Because of that, I assumed that as long as you meet a certain playing threshold, your comps are safe? I didn't think a one-time little to no play stay would eliminate a fairly "cheap" comp.

Each case is treated different, not just at each casino.There are almost no universals in the way casinos treat players, unless they catch you cheating.
I just think its better to avoid a host while in the middle of stiffing them.
 

alwayssplitaces

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In this case, it would hurt the casino more if you did play if you're playing blackjack with an advantage. So you should have increased your usual spread.

I usually stiff Harrah's in Vegas, but I get generous comps from them anyway because of my play at Harrah's in Chester PA which has the best blackjack rules out of any Harrah's property (because PA state law mandates S17 DA2 DAS LS). Well, I didn't stiff Harrah's completely when I was in Vegas...I played several hours of poker per day, and had other people play slots using my card. Harrah's still comps me well despite never making a profit from me. I was impressed that I got a big suite at Rio, but I was only in my room to sleep since I was at the tables most of my waking hours. Must be the 10 hours/week of green chip blackjack at Chester.
 
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shadroch

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As an aside, a $10 tip at check-in will almost always get you an upgrade to a Masquerade suite midweek.
 
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