Is this ploppy thinking?

[Dopple]

If I am in a pretty high count out and winning like four or five hands in a row I have a tendency to not spread to two hands because things are working good.

I dont want to mess up the flow.

If it would otherwise be the correct move to get more money out by spreading to two by staying with one hand because it is working good can only be classified as a ploppy thought process correct?

 

[Sharky]

... dont want to mess up the flow....

to a 'T'

 

[bjcardcounter]

If I am in a pretty high count out and winning like four or five hands in a row I have a tendency to not spread to two hands because things are working good.

I dont want to mess up the flow.

If it would otherwise be the correct move to get more money out by spreading to two by staying with one hand because it is working good can only be classified as a ploppy thought process correct?

Absolutely.

 

[zengrifter]

If I am in a pretty high count out and winning like four or five hands in a row I have a tendency to not spread to two hands because things are working good.

I dont want to mess up the flow.

If it would otherwise be the correct move to get more money out by spreading to two by staying with one hand because it is working good can only be classified as a ploppy thought process correct?

Whether to play one or two hnds is a function of how many others. zg

 

[kewljason]

Whether to play one or two hnds is a function of how many others. zg

And Heat. My experience over the last year or so, here in the desert, is that spreading to 2 hands in higher counts generates more heat than any other move. More than splitting 10's. More than spreading 20-1 and dropping back to 1 at the start of a new shoe. More than counting out loud. :laugh: Ok, maybe not that last one. Could be a regional thing though as I never noticed such heat other places or could just be my experience.

 

[prankster]

Any time,and I mean ANY TIME a player even mentions "the flow" that player is using a ploppy thought process!:joker:Go to two hands if the count is elevated and there is at least one other player at the table-or if the count is elevated with or without another player at the table if it looks like the shoe is about to end. Also-keep in mind what Kewljason said regarding possible heat if you go to two or more hands.

 

[aslan]

The only important flow is the one right after your key cards appear.

 

[21gunsalute]

Any time,and I mean ANY TIME a player even mentions "the flow" that player is using a ploppy thought process!:joker:Go to two hands if the count is elevated and there is at least one other player at the table...

One could make the case that requiring another player to be at the table to justify going to 2 hands could be considered ploppy behavior.

 

[FLASH1296]

kewljason is 100% "spot-on" correct.

You either bet 2 hands all of the time or not; but it is suicidal (heat-wise) to spread to 2 hands in advantageous situations.

Every floor person knows to wake up when they see you betting several units on TWO spots.

 

[prankster]

One could make the case that requiring another player to be at the table to justify going to 2 hands could be considered ploppy behavior.

Having another player at the table is not required-if there happens to be another player at the table you might be wise to play two hands as to get more cards to you in this advantageous situation.
You misunderstood.

 

[kewljason]

kewljason is 100% "spot-on" correct.

You either bet 2 hands all of the time or not; but it is suicidal (heat-wise) to spread to 2 hands in advantageous situations.

Every floor person knows to wake up when they see you betting several units on TWO spots.

Playing alot of east coast for years, where tables were crowded, I didn't have the opportunity to spread to multiple hands often, so I was excited about that aspect upon relocating to vegas. But early last year, I had 4 different occasions where after I had spread to 2 hands on high count, a floor person began looking through the discard rack at the cards. Could they be any less subtle?? :laugh: I left at the conclusion of the shoe each time, as I always do after high counts, but it quickly became clear to me that this practice of spreading to two hands and my goal of longevity were in conflict. At least here in Vegas.

 

[blackjack avenger]

On Second Thought, I Try to Keep Thinking Minimal

vegas, last year, I had 4 different occasions where after I had spread to 2 hands on high count, a floor person began looking through the discard rack at the cards. Could they be any less subtle?? :laugh: I left at the conclusion of the shoe each time, as I always do after high counts, but it quickly became clear to me that this practice of spreading to two hands and my goal of longevity were in conflict. At least here in Vegas.

At first I was going to state that 2 hands is not a heat generator. Then I thought on it, there is also the aspect of your bet jumping about 50%! This is a big jump in bets. Of course as we alllll know big bets can generate heat!

Of course giving up about 40% in EV and lengthing NO is a huuuuuge cost for camo.

good cards
:joker::whip:

 

[21forme]

a floor person began looking through the discard rack at the cards. Could they be any less subtle?? :laugh:

I've only had this happen once. When the floor person began looking thru the discards, I asked him, "Did you lose something?" :laugh:

 

[BrianCP]

I've only had this happen once. When the floor person began looking thru the discards, I asked him, "Did you lose something?" :laugh:

If you had no plans on ever returning to that casino not dressed as a woman, you could've made a hilarious scene when he started doing that. Just jump up and wildly begin accusing him of cheating, "He's tampering with the discards! He's marking them so they can cheat me!" Or, "Hey, why are you looking through those buddy? Just making sure your dealer friend here has been stacking the deck correctly?"

Just sudden unwarranted aggression supplemented by crazy accusations tend to make people stammer.

As they sputter in reaction, just yell "I'm going to tell everyone you guys cheat the players! I'm leaving forever!" as you stomp away in fake rage.

 

[prankster]

If you had no plans on ever returning to that casino not dressed as a woman, you could've made a hilarious scene when he started doing that. Just jump up and wildly begin accusing him of cheating, "He's tampering with the discards! He's marking them so they can cheat me!" Or, "Hey, why are you looking through those buddy? Just making sure your dealer friend here has been stacking the deck correctly?"

Just sudden unwarranted aggression supplemented by crazy accusations tend to make people stammer.

As they sputter in reaction, just yell "I'm going to tell everyone you guys cheat the players! I'm leaving forever!" as you stomp away in fake rage.

You two could drive those pit critters so crazy they might quit and find honest work!:joker:

 

[Gamblor]

Never got heat for spreading to two hands on a high count.

Ploppies spread to two all the time.

 

[alwayssplitaces]

I only got heat once for spreading to 2 hands, that was the time I got backed off.

In some places, spreading to 2 hands means that you have to double your bet, so it's an easy way to hide a 1-4 spread. Spreading to 2 hands and wonging out is a great way to annoy the ploppies by messing with their "flow". Sometimes I notice if I spread to 2 hands, a ploppy sits out to keep the "flow" which helps me out in + counts. And if I wong out, a ploppy might take my spot to keep the "flow", which helps me out in - counts by eating up cards.

 

[Renzey]

Spreading to 2 hands and wonging out is a great way to annoy the ploppies by messing with their "flow". Sometimes I notice if I spread to 2 hands, a ploppy sits out to keep the "flow" which helps me out in + counts. And if I wong out, a ploppy might take my spot to keep the "flow", which helps me out in - counts by eating up cards.

In positive counts, alternating between 1 and 2 hands in rapid-fire succession is an effective way to trim down the table.

 

[moo321]

I sort of consider spreading to two hands in a shoe game to be a "normal" part of counting. I would only not spread to two as a heat-averse move. Why wouldn't you, unless it specifically brought you heat at a place?

Often it makes your spread look smaller (dumb people think $10-2x$75 is a 1 to 7 spread). It may also avoid "checks play" if that needs avoiding.

 

[bjcardcounter]

I sort of consider spreading to two hands in a shoe game to be a "normal" part of counting. I would only not spread to two as a heat-averse move. Why wouldn't you, unless it specifically brought you heat at a place?

Often it makes your spread look smaller (dumb people think $10-2x$75 is a 1 to 7 spread). It may also avoid "checks play" if that needs avoiding.

At least in A.C @ $25 min tables, I have seen 'checks play' being called only max bets. My experience is less though when compared to yours.