Is this the right Strategy guide for Atlantic City Blackjack!?

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AznDragon533

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Is this guide fine? or should I change something?




also which casino(s) in AC will have the lowest limit table this Saturday!? :cry:
 
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tthree

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Basic strategy engine

It looks right but the basic strategy varies with rules and number of decks. This site has a feature(left side of screen) called basic strategy engine. Enter the rules and number of decks on the left of the basic strategy engine screen and hit the prompt under the rules to generate the basic strategy chart for that game.
 
Gamblor

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Its not right for H17. You double A7 v 2, A8 v 6, and 11 v A.

Surrender is also different, but you are not likely to encounter a table that is H17 and surrender, so its a moot point.
 
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tthree

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Thanks for correcting me Gamblor. I avoid H17 games and have rarely had to play it. Needless to say I havent been to AC in a while since there are better games closer to home. When I look at CBJN it looks like a low limit player would have a hard time finding S17 in AC. The high limit player may find it difficult as well.
 
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AznDragon533

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Gamblor said:
Its not right for H17. You double A7 v 2, A8 v 6, and 11 v A.

Surrender is also different, but you are not likely to encounter a table that is H17 and surrender, so its a moot point.
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I am having a hard time understanding this

I am going to Atlantic City. I thought the dealer stands on soft 17, , which means the games are s17 and not H17

am i missing something here!? Also Can I still surrender in AC casinos?

"Unlike Las Vegas rules, the dealer has to stand on 17 - both hard and soft."

(Dead link: http://www.gamblingkingz.com/game-guides/blackjack/rules/atlantic-city-blackjack-rules.asp)

"Casinos decide whether to allow their dealers to hit soft 17 (known as h17), or stand on soft 17 (s17)"
http://www.smartgaming.com/html/articles/soft17rule.htm
 
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tthree

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AC went almost completely to H17. I will consult the CBJN. These are the S17 games listed:

Harrahs ............6/1.8.. 50 min no midshoe entry
Hilton............... 6/1.8.. 25 min no midshoe entry
Resorts .............8/1.5.. 10 min
........................6/1.2.. 15 min
........................6/1.2.. 50 min no midshoe entry
Showboat ..........6/1.8.. 50 min no midshoe
Trump marina.... 6/1.8.. 50 min no midshoe late surrender
Trump plaza..... 6/2.0.. 25 min no midshoe
Trump Taj mahal 6/1.5 100 min no midshoe
Ballys park place 6/1.8 100 min no midshoe
Borgata .............8/1.5... 5 min
........................6/1.6.. 25 min no midshoe
Caesars .............6/1.6 100 min no midshoe
 
Gamblor

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Yes thats a good list. Trop might still have S17 at low limits? But I know they were mucking around with this recently, so it might not anymore?

Also Azn, as mentioned you will not find a game with H17 AND LS in AC. The only place you might find LS is in the HL rooms, and then you might have to beg for it. So just completely ignore surrender.

So the only difference you have to be concerned about is the doubles I just mentioned.
 
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AznDragon533

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In a Shoe game with 4+ decks H17

Composition-dependent strategy blackjack

what is the correct play!?

16 vs dealer 10


12 vs. dealer 4
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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AznDragon533,

It is bad enough that you are not counting cards, but if you do not know 100% of basic strategy for the game(s) you are playing, what are you doing ? Gambling ?

You are VERY unlikely to find either a S17 game or a $5 table on a weekend or holiday in Atlantic City.
 
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tthree

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AznDragon533 said:
In a Shoe game with 4+ decks H17

Composition-dependent strategy blackjack

what is the correct play!?

16 vs dealer 10


12 vs. dealer 4
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My first post in this thread told you how to find the answer. You will find double after splitting, double any 2 and resplit to 3 hands as the likely rules.
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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Actually, the correct play for 12 vs. 4 is HIT with LESS than 8 decks.
Basic Strategy does not change for these hands based on H17 vs. S17.
 
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AznDragon533

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FLASH1296 said:

Actually, the correct play for 12 vs. 4 is HIT with LESS than 8 decks.
Basic Strategy does not change for these hands based on H17 vs. S17.
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umm what, all basic strategy charts said to Stand for 12 versus 4.

I bolded the
Composition-dependent strategy blackjack
for a reason

10 with a 2 versus dealer 4. I assume I would hit? versus a 9 and a 3 versus dealer 4?

and for the rule of "45"

16 versus dealer Ace, if I have 3 or more cards, I would stand versus dealer ace?

or is that 3 or more cards, with a "4" or a "5"?
 
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tthree

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The index for 12 v 4 is 0. You stand above this and hit below. It is basically a coin flip without counting. If you are in AC you are playing a shoe composition dependent play is insignificant. But comp dep play is always hit. There is at most 1 face card in the comp the four neutralizes that. So that case is the coin flip all others hit.
 
Gamblor

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Hey azn most of us probably don't even know compositional whazzle whizzle because we count, and could care less about it.

For you, as a recreational gambler (even if you gamble frequently) it won't much matter to trying to extract an extra fraction of fraction of better EV.
 
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