I know that we've talked about this before but with all the new people I'm seeing on the board it can't hurt to bring it up again. I used to feel the need to point out to a dealer anytime he made a mistake that involved me, such as paying a losing hand or over paying me. I have since changed my philosophy and decided that it is not my job to train the casinos dealers. The only time I will point it out to the dealer is if it is to my advantage, like if the floor person is watching what is going on, I then follow it up with a comment like "hey, I only want to win fair and square, (bullshit)." It seems like dealer mistakes happen fairly often. When the dealer happens to catch his own mistake as he is double checking a payout for example, the ploppy might say "you could have let it slide." The dealer always says "sorry sir but the camera sees everything." I have never, ever seen a call from the eye where they correct a payout in that manner. Has anyone else? I am of the opinion that the eye is not as all seeing as they lead you to believe. Maybe if you're playing black they do "see" and correct payout errors.
I've Checked My Morals at the Door.
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Your right, the eye in the sky is not watching nearly as much as everyone is led to believe. I've logged about a gazillion hours on the tables and seen a lot of really favorable mistakes for players. Even the players get these real guilty looks and giggles while it's happening. Lots of fun to watch sometimes. However, once, 5 minutes after the dealer mistakenly paid out a sizeable amount, the pit suit confronted the player and made him return it.
When I see in advance that I'm going to be mistakenly paid, I usually pretend to have my attention diverted from the table. 'Cause It's a little embarrassing for me to get caught by a pit suit allowing it to happen, especially if the pit crew knows me.
Stealth
When I see in advance that I'm going to be mistakenly paid, I usually pretend to have my attention diverted from the table. 'Cause It's a little embarrassing for me to get caught by a pit suit allowing it to happen, especially if the pit crew knows me.
Stealth
learning to count
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""The only time I will point it out to the dealer is if it is to my advantage, like if the floor person is watching what is going on, I then follow it up with a comment like "hey, I only want to win fair and square, (bullshit).""
Wow I could not have said it better!
Remember the whole casino industry theory is not to have a gambling establishment. They are there to provide you with "sinful pleasure". Gameing at a very high cost, your soul. They have no qualms at taking your money with games that are made for losing. You lose they win.
They consider each and eveyone a SUCKER; They call gambling entertainment. This entertainment is the feeling you get when you win and then the feeling you get when you lose. It is called addiction. The casinos have the legal right to offer you a game with little or no return. The belief that gambling will reward you when your lucky is the biggest casino lie out there. 99% return, mega bucks, ploppy orgasmic screams when they hit a blackjack for a nickle at the 6/5 single deck game...it goes on and on.
Dont worry the casino will not pay you if the dealer scoops up your chips when you had the winning hand and you mistakenly thought you lost. Nor will they pay you the correct payoff on a side bet when they make the wrong payout if you miss that too. It has happened and pointed out to me later. The eye in sky never says anything about that! I say F**k em!
Wow I could not have said it better!
Remember the whole casino industry theory is not to have a gambling establishment. They are there to provide you with "sinful pleasure". Gameing at a very high cost, your soul. They have no qualms at taking your money with games that are made for losing. You lose they win.
They consider each and eveyone a SUCKER; They call gambling entertainment. This entertainment is the feeling you get when you win and then the feeling you get when you lose. It is called addiction. The casinos have the legal right to offer you a game with little or no return. The belief that gambling will reward you when your lucky is the biggest casino lie out there. 99% return, mega bucks, ploppy orgasmic screams when they hit a blackjack for a nickle at the 6/5 single deck game...it goes on and on.
Dont worry the casino will not pay you if the dealer scoops up your chips when you had the winning hand and you mistakenly thought you lost. Nor will they pay you the correct payoff on a side bet when they make the wrong payout if you miss that too. It has happened and pointed out to me later. The eye in sky never says anything about that! I say F**k em!
Felix Rue-de-Guerre
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I've got one
First of all, before someone accuses me of taking money from orphans or something; Remember, the term "Charity Game" is often used as a means to set up a quasi-legal temporary casino.
The games are always unbeatable. There is always some variation of the dealer winning ties.(Dealer wins all ties, Dealer wins all ties except on 20 or 21... etc.)
A friend of mine found that a bank machine was spitting out $10 matchplay coupons for an upcoming charity game. He got me 2 of them. (Wierd, Eh!)
So, I showed up to play out the coupons. When I got there it took awhile to find anyone who knew what the coupons were. Not one of the dealers knew what a matchplay coupon was! The person tending the "cage" finally pointed me to the guy who was running the event. He walked over to one of the tables with me and explained it the dealer.
2 to 10 dollar table limits. New shoe. I started betting 2 bucks per hand with an agreement with the dealer he would discount the coupon by $2 every hand. Started counting the shoe just for practice, planned to leave when the coupons were depleted.
Here's the good parts:
1. He discounted the coupon only if I lost. And, I won lot of those hands!
2. A few hands into the game I noticed he was pushing everyones ties!
3. By the time the first coup got taken away, the count was about +3. So, I started putting out ten bucks. Count stayed high despite all my 20s.
4. Next shoe/coup was similar.
I sure wished the stakes were higher! But still, it made my day.
First of all, before someone accuses me of taking money from orphans or something; Remember, the term "Charity Game" is often used as a means to set up a quasi-legal temporary casino.
The games are always unbeatable. There is always some variation of the dealer winning ties.(Dealer wins all ties, Dealer wins all ties except on 20 or 21... etc.)
A friend of mine found that a bank machine was spitting out $10 matchplay coupons for an upcoming charity game. He got me 2 of them. (Wierd, Eh!)
So, I showed up to play out the coupons. When I got there it took awhile to find anyone who knew what the coupons were. Not one of the dealers knew what a matchplay coupon was! The person tending the "cage" finally pointed me to the guy who was running the event. He walked over to one of the tables with me and explained it the dealer.
2 to 10 dollar table limits. New shoe. I started betting 2 bucks per hand with an agreement with the dealer he would discount the coupon by $2 every hand. Started counting the shoe just for practice, planned to leave when the coupons were depleted.
Here's the good parts:
1. He discounted the coupon only if I lost. And, I won lot of those hands!
2. A few hands into the game I noticed he was pushing everyones ties!
3. By the time the first coup got taken away, the count was about +3. So, I started putting out ten bucks. Count stayed high despite all my 20s.
4. Next shoe/coup was similar.
I sure wished the stakes were higher! But still, it made my day.
Rob McGarvey
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If the dealer is a real screw up and you are killing him with big bets they'll pull him like a NY Yankee pitcher in a heart beat! ;>
Abraham de Moivre
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The Morality of War
Kill the enemy before he kills you.
Kill the enemy before he kills you.
Two months ago I had the following occur. Playing two hands and end up w/ 20 and 18 against the dealer's 18. Dealer pays both bets, scoops the cards into the discard tray and comments, "I should have pushed you on that 18, instead of paying you."
I acted surprised and said, "Won't the cameras catch it?" His response was, "I don't care if they do." To which I said, "Well I sure don't want to get you in any trouble." His reply, "They can't get me into trouble, I've been working here too long."
Nice!
Later thay day I had a different, confused dealer make two seperate mistakes that would have gained me an extra $200....had the pit boss not caught them. Ouch!
I acted surprised and said, "Won't the cameras catch it?" His response was, "I don't care if they do." To which I said, "Well I sure don't want to get you in any trouble." His reply, "They can't get me into trouble, I've been working here too long."
Nice!
Later thay day I had a different, confused dealer make two seperate mistakes that would have gained me an extra $200....had the pit boss not caught them. Ouch!
FWIW:
I have enjoyed numerous wrong payouts over the years. I think the biggest was in the 3600 or so range. I once played a dealer who got nervous paying off my BJs with funky and chunky black bets (maybe 800-1200 range) with lots of different denominations. I purposely made the bets look as ugly as possible (sliding purples in-between pinks to cause confusion etc) just to watch him sweat (and take advantage of the largesse that would await each snapper). In one case got a 3:1 blackjack payout. I just threw the chips into the pile and dummied up.
I point out all dealer errors that I catch that go against me of course, and to be truthful the pit and dealers have identified mistakes that I didnt catch that were in my favor. About a month ago I had two stacks of black out (im not sure how much but it was more than 1K on each stack) took ins on two ugly stiffs; the dealer stuck the cards under an auto reading gizmo which indicated no BJ. She scooped my ins bet and I proceeded to bust both stiffs. The hole card was a 10 (which I dutifully counted) but of course had completely forgot about the ins bet. The dealer put all the cards into the discard tray then she clicked to the fact that I really won the ins bet and called the boss over. The boss backed the cards out and I got paid on the ins bet.
Mistakes yeah we all make them and this one was a doozy; most mistakes cost you pennies on the dollar; this one was very expensive save for the dealers alertness. Biggest mistake was not paying attention to look for a very profitable dealing procedure weakness at this joint that is very exploitable. You have to pay attention and stay focused; its not always easy.
If you think BJ is boring for us imagine how boring it is for the eye after the first 10 minutes; I have never had a call about a mispay from the eye. If you are worried about the eye re-direct their attention (the preceeding is an excerise left to the imagination of the reader). I have had two kinds of calls from the eye (1 to deliver the tap me out report, 2 - dealing procedure errors and the like). Its like the police who are great at speedtraps but suck at solving car theft.
wong out - btw good luck!
I have enjoyed numerous wrong payouts over the years. I think the biggest was in the 3600 or so range. I once played a dealer who got nervous paying off my BJs with funky and chunky black bets (maybe 800-1200 range) with lots of different denominations. I purposely made the bets look as ugly as possible (sliding purples in-between pinks to cause confusion etc) just to watch him sweat (and take advantage of the largesse that would await each snapper). In one case got a 3:1 blackjack payout. I just threw the chips into the pile and dummied up.
I point out all dealer errors that I catch that go against me of course, and to be truthful the pit and dealers have identified mistakes that I didnt catch that were in my favor. About a month ago I had two stacks of black out (im not sure how much but it was more than 1K on each stack) took ins on two ugly stiffs; the dealer stuck the cards under an auto reading gizmo which indicated no BJ. She scooped my ins bet and I proceeded to bust both stiffs. The hole card was a 10 (which I dutifully counted) but of course had completely forgot about the ins bet. The dealer put all the cards into the discard tray then she clicked to the fact that I really won the ins bet and called the boss over. The boss backed the cards out and I got paid on the ins bet.
Mistakes yeah we all make them and this one was a doozy; most mistakes cost you pennies on the dollar; this one was very expensive save for the dealers alertness. Biggest mistake was not paying attention to look for a very profitable dealing procedure weakness at this joint that is very exploitable. You have to pay attention and stay focused; its not always easy.
If you think BJ is boring for us imagine how boring it is for the eye after the first 10 minutes; I have never had a call about a mispay from the eye. If you are worried about the eye re-direct their attention (the preceeding is an excerise left to the imagination of the reader). I have had two kinds of calls from the eye (1 to deliver the tap me out report, 2 - dealing procedure errors and the like). Its like the police who are great at speedtraps but suck at solving car theft.
wong out - btw good luck!
Rob McGarvey
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The Master Has Said:
Avoid rather than check
Check rather than hurt
Hurt rather than maim
Maim rather than kill
Kill rather than be killed
For all life is precious
Even the life of the most ferocious beast
So too is your life precious
By protecting all life
How then can a man be found guilty?
Avoid rather than check
Check rather than hurt
Hurt rather than maim
Maim rather than kill
Kill rather than be killed
For all life is precious
Even the life of the most ferocious beast
So too is your life precious
By protecting all life
How then can a man be found guilty?
Abraham de Moivre
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Re: The Master Has Said:
General Omar Bradley:
"In war, there is no prize for the runner-up."
General Omar Bradley:
"In war, there is no prize for the runner-up."
Rob McGarvey
Well-Known Member
Re: The Master Has Said:
There is no prize, period.
There is no prize, period.