I've always wanted to join a card counting team...I was a pretty good solo player back in the early 80's at AC. Haven't played in a while, however all this buzz on the web and TV has givin me the bug again. An article on the web said palyers use the web as a recruitment tool. Well??? Anybody out there?? Thanks Jason.
Joining a Team
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Sonny
Well-Known Member
Sounds great!
I am also a great card counter. I have been using the Thorp Ultimate system for 40 years and would LOVE to join your team. Just send me half of your bankroll and I promise I will send you half of my winnings every month.
-Sonny-
P.S. - THAT'S the reason you shouldn't scout teammates online. As much as I respect everyone on this website, I don't trust them with my money and they don't trust me with theirs (understandably). It's not that I don't trust them, I just don't KNOW that I can. You should think about training some family members or close friends before you start splitting your money with strangers online.
P.P.S. - I was serious about sending me your bankroll...please? =)
I am also a great card counter. I have been using the Thorp Ultimate system for 40 years and would LOVE to join your team. Just send me half of your bankroll and I promise I will send you half of my winnings every month.
-Sonny-
P.S. - THAT'S the reason you shouldn't scout teammates online. As much as I respect everyone on this website, I don't trust them with my money and they don't trust me with theirs (understandably). It's not that I don't trust them, I just don't KNOW that I can. You should think about training some family members or close friends before you start splitting your money with strangers online.
P.P.S. - I was serious about sending me your bankroll...please? =)
eastcoastgrinder
New Member
teams
I don't think he meant sharing his bankroll. In my situation I have spent alot of time learning to count but am still trying to build a bankroll in order to apply my skills. However, it seems the ideal situation would be to hook up with a team that has a bankroll start as a spotter and make a few bucks to invest.
I don't think he meant sharing his bankroll. In my situation I have spent alot of time learning to count but am still trying to build a bankroll in order to apply my skills. However, it seems the ideal situation would be to hook up with a team that has a bankroll start as a spotter and make a few bucks to invest.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Two matters of trust
Proud to say, people who know me know that I'm honest and responsible to the point of being annoying and would not hesitate to trust my honesty or competence with finances.
Do you believe me? I hope not, because I'm really just a desperate drug addict with a life-threatening debt to organized crime. Do you believe that? (I REALLY hope not!)
That's my first point, it's that there are con artists out there that have an almost hypnotic ability to make you believe anything, and the only defense is constant awareness.
Here's my second point: ever have bad variance? I mean really bad variance, so bad you just can't believe it. Maybe even... so bad that your angry and possibly armed teammates can't even believe it? Or you get your pocket picked in the men's room, or robbed in the parking lot, or a crooked cop stops you and rips you off? How are you going to convince these guys you just met on the web that you're not just screwing them? Answer: you're not. You could possibly be 2 or 3 standard deviations away from a blunt instrument to the head. Not to be paranoid, just something to consider.
However there are ways to team with people where you don't share money, just information, and techniques like card steering and counting and sequencing systems that use multiple players. That might be a better way to get started as a team.
Proud to say, people who know me know that I'm honest and responsible to the point of being annoying and would not hesitate to trust my honesty or competence with finances.
Do you believe me? I hope not, because I'm really just a desperate drug addict with a life-threatening debt to organized crime. Do you believe that? (I REALLY hope not!)
That's my first point, it's that there are con artists out there that have an almost hypnotic ability to make you believe anything, and the only defense is constant awareness.
Here's my second point: ever have bad variance? I mean really bad variance, so bad you just can't believe it. Maybe even... so bad that your angry and possibly armed teammates can't even believe it? Or you get your pocket picked in the men's room, or robbed in the parking lot, or a crooked cop stops you and rips you off? How are you going to convince these guys you just met on the web that you're not just screwing them? Answer: you're not. You could possibly be 2 or 3 standard deviations away from a blunt instrument to the head. Not to be paranoid, just something to consider.
However there are ways to team with people where you don't share money, just information, and techniques like card steering and counting and sequencing systems that use multiple players. That might be a better way to get started as a team.
Team Trust
Sonny!!
I don't remember asking anyone for a bankroll. I have my own money to invest in a Black Jack adventure, its just all of the reasearch I've done seems to point that groups do a lot better than singles.
Trust is a huge element in any team play, but I have to start some where, unless holdin a big sign at Ceasers that says " Sonny ive got you Bankroll!!" will help!
Jason
Sonny!!
I don't remember asking anyone for a bankroll. I have my own money to invest in a Black Jack adventure, its just all of the reasearch I've done seems to point that groups do a lot better than singles.
Trust is a huge element in any team play, but I have to start some where, unless holdin a big sign at Ceasers that says " Sonny ive got you Bankroll!!" will help!
Jason
Thanks Monkey
Dear Monkey,
Hey thanks for the tips...yes I hope I don't have a variance like the ones you mentioned any time soon.
It seems that any biz has it's riskes I just was unsure where to start. I mean the players are at the Casinos, however running aroud a casino trying to find some players my send me directly into a, " variance"
Well this was just a stab, if anything is has been interesting watching the responses develop.
Thanks,
Jason
Dear Monkey,
Hey thanks for the tips...yes I hope I don't have a variance like the ones you mentioned any time soon.
It seems that any biz has it's riskes I just was unsure where to start. I mean the players are at the Casinos, however running aroud a casino trying to find some players my send me directly into a, " variance"
Well this was just a stab, if anything is has been interesting watching the responses develop.
Thanks,
Jason
Sonny
Well-Known Member
Managing a team
> I don't remember asking anyone for a bankroll.
You didn't, I did. If you are going to play on a team then you will probably have to share a bankroll with the other players. That means that YOUR money is at risk every time one of your teammates is at the table. Even the best players can lose for months at a time. Will you still trust your teammates after they have been losing your money all month long? That is why I suggest using family members or close friends. It must be someone you have complete confidence in.
I have played alone and on small teams. I can say with complete confidence that I have NEVER been stolen from while playing alone. I am only 90% confident about the team play.
As AutoMonkey pointed out there ways that shuffle trackers or sequencers could play on a team and still play from individual bankrolls, but that may not be practical for some people's purposes. It sounds like you are trying to set up a counting-only team.
> I have my own money to invest in a Black Jack adventure, its just all of the
> reasearch I've done seems to point that groups do a lot better than singles.
They can, but most teams fail due to trust issues. Either they don't trust each other enough and accuse each other of stealing, or they trust each other too much and become the victims of stealing. There was a great three-part article in Blackjack Forum about this. That is a good place to start if you are looking for more information on forming a team. It includes interviews with some of successful teams and has a "team handbook" that is worth reading.
Team play offers huge potential for profit, but it can also be one of the hardest things to do sucessfully. It is just like starting a business. You must have great employees, great management, a great HR department, a great accounting department, etc.
> Trust is a huge element in any team play, but I have to start some where,
> unless holdin a big sign at Ceasers that says " Sonny ive got you Bankroll!!"
> will help!
You would be surprised how many people you would meet that way! =)
That is exactly my point. If you advertise the fact that you are willing to split your money with someone, you will attract all sorts of people. Most of them are people you do not want to know.
-Sonny-
P.S. - I don't play at Caesar's anyway.
> I don't remember asking anyone for a bankroll.
You didn't, I did. If you are going to play on a team then you will probably have to share a bankroll with the other players. That means that YOUR money is at risk every time one of your teammates is at the table. Even the best players can lose for months at a time. Will you still trust your teammates after they have been losing your money all month long? That is why I suggest using family members or close friends. It must be someone you have complete confidence in.
I have played alone and on small teams. I can say with complete confidence that I have NEVER been stolen from while playing alone. I am only 90% confident about the team play.
As AutoMonkey pointed out there ways that shuffle trackers or sequencers could play on a team and still play from individual bankrolls, but that may not be practical for some people's purposes. It sounds like you are trying to set up a counting-only team.
> I have my own money to invest in a Black Jack adventure, its just all of the
> reasearch I've done seems to point that groups do a lot better than singles.
They can, but most teams fail due to trust issues. Either they don't trust each other enough and accuse each other of stealing, or they trust each other too much and become the victims of stealing. There was a great three-part article in Blackjack Forum about this. That is a good place to start if you are looking for more information on forming a team. It includes interviews with some of successful teams and has a "team handbook" that is worth reading.
Team play offers huge potential for profit, but it can also be one of the hardest things to do sucessfully. It is just like starting a business. You must have great employees, great management, a great HR department, a great accounting department, etc.
> Trust is a huge element in any team play, but I have to start some where,
> unless holdin a big sign at Ceasers that says " Sonny ive got you Bankroll!!"
> will help!
You would be surprised how many people you would meet that way! =)
That is exactly my point. If you advertise the fact that you are willing to split your money with someone, you will attract all sorts of people. Most of them are people you do not want to know.
-Sonny-
P.S. - I don't play at Caesar's anyway.
Greasy John
Active Member
Hey Sonny...
Drop that apostrophe in Caesars. This is a professional website!
(Just kidding)
Greasy john
Drop that apostrophe in Caesars. This is a professional website!
(Just kidding)
Greasy john