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Dabucci

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Just a few thoughts, since I have never been to any casinos (too young to gamble)

1) Take a six-deck shoe. Are the decks shuffled singly, then placed side by side, or shuffled in random piles??

2) Is card counting now a dying art, or is it still possible to beat the casinos for millions??

3) What is the perfect size for a well controlled, successful blackjack team. How many members and what size bankroll.


Answers and comments are much appreciated.. Thank you :)
 
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mjbballar23

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Dabucci said:
Just a few thoughts, since I have never been to any casinos (too young to gamble)

1) Take a six-deck shoe. Are the decks shuffled singly, then placed side by side, or shuffled in random piles??

2) Is card counting now a dying art, or is it still possible to beat the casinos for millions??

3) What is the perfect size for a well controlled, successful blackjack team. How many members and what size bankroll.


Answers and comments are much appreciated.. Thank you :)
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1. it varies greatly by casino. Most casinos use automatic shufflers or even continuous shufflers. If it is hand shuffled, most casinos will use a fairly complex shuffle.
2. I think most would agree that the potential profit from card counting has diminished in recent years but it can still be very profitable. Whether you can still make millions doing counting alone, i'd have to say no but i guess thats up for debate.
3. there is no formula for the perfect team/bankroll. Personally i would say the perfect team is one where everyone trusts each other and each team member is equally invested in the team. Getting a large team to trust everyone is VERY difficult and that is why many people like playing by themselves or with one other trustworthy person.
 
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moo321

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Dabucci said:
Just a few thoughts, since I have never been to any casinos (too young to gamble)

1) Take a six-deck shoe. Are the decks shuffled singly, then placed side by side, or shuffled in random piles??

2) Is card counting now a dying art, or is it still possible to beat the casinos for millions??

3) What is the perfect size for a well controlled, successful blackjack team. How many members and what size bankroll.


Answers and comments are much appreciated.. Thank you :)
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1. All the decks are shuffled together. Exactly how depends on where you play.

2. Others will disagree, but I think counting is more profitable now than at any point since the late 60's to early 1970's, when there were still single deck games dealt to the last card. Back-counting is extremely profitable, and there are so many new casinos that a low black-chipper can probably play full-time for years and never even get backed off.

3. What is perfect? Well, the perfect number of player is limited to players that you totally trust. And maybe only a select few, if you want to have longevity as a team. Bankroll size, I would guess, would be between $250k, to maybe $1 million. But you can easily run a team with $10k if you know what you're doing.
 
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Dabucci

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Expensive...

As I said I'm too young to gamble, but where would you get 250K to a million from? That's quite a big bankroll wouldn't you agree. Although, some of my friends are multi-millionaires (dads)

Has anyone ever gone to card count with a bankroll over 100K? If so, what happened and what would you have changed?:rolleyes:
 
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shadroch

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If you want more answers,put at least some of your question in the title. Threads with titles like HMMMM.... and JUST WONDERING are usually passed by. a title like "A few questions on BR" will get you more responses.

Blackjack is a a game of attrition. The best card counters have such a small edge that only by betting large amounts can you make good money. A good card counter might have a 1% edge. If he plays four hours and averages $10 a bet,he might end up betting a total of $4,000.If he wins at the 1% rate he has just won $40. About $10 an hour.To make any kind of real money,you must average at least $25-50 a bet,so your expected win rate is $25 an hour or better.Even that isn't that great because you have expenses involved with getting and staying wherever you are playing.To handle the usual swings you'll get on a $25-50 bet average,you need at least $25,000 to be pretty sure you'll never lose it all.
 
moo321

moo321

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Dabucci said:
As I said I'm too young to gamble, but where would you get 250K to a million from? ...Although, some of my friends are multi-millionaires (dads)
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I think you answered your own question. Real estate investors or business owners might be another good source. I wouldn't mess with venture capital, because they'll take too much.
 
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