Keeping the count

eps6724

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Greetings! This could posibly be a REALLY stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyway...when converting the running count to a true count, I understand the division with decks remaining. What I'm a bit confused is here-on the next hand dealt, do I continue to add to the former running count, or does the true count become my running count for the next hand dealt?

BTW from another post-by profession I am a magician, but haven't really seen where learning to count cards could help. If you find it does, let me know! Sounds like an interesting idea!

Thanks for your help!
 

ScottH

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eps6724 said:
Greetings! This could posibly be a REALLY stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyway...when converting the running count to a true count, I understand the division with decks remaining. What I'm a bit confused is here-on the next hand dealt, do I continue to add to the former running count, or does the true count become my running count for the next hand dealt?

BTW from another post-by profession I am a magician, but haven't really seen where learning to count cards could help. If you find it does, let me know! Sounds like an interesting idea!

Thanks for your help!
That's cool that you are a magician. I am interested in magic as well and I know quite a few magic tricks, but I'm not a professional.

To answer your question you continue to add the next round of cards to the previous running count, and then do your true count calculation again using the new running count and remaining decks.

So you always keep the running count through the entire deck or shoe, and then do the true count coversion for every betting and playing decision.
 

Sonny

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eps6724 said:
BTW from another post-by profession I am a magician, but haven't really seen where learning to count cards could help. If you find it does, let me know! Sounds like an interesting idea!
I don’t think counting cards will help you with magic much. Card counting is designed to monitor the relative advantage/disadvantage at blackjack. It is designed specifically for blackjack so I don’t think it would help very much in the magic world (or any other game for that matter).

On the other hand, being a magician can be a huge benefit to blackjack play. Magicians often memorize sequences of cards in order to predict the outcome of a trick. Also, they have a very good understanding of how cards are moved during the shuffling process. These two skills are the basis of ace tracking and shuffle tracking, both of which can give you a huge advantage at the game. These techniques are discussed in the Advanced Techniques forum.

-Sonny-
 

ScottH

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eps6724 said:
BTW from another post-by profession I am a magician, but haven't really seen where learning to count cards could help. If you find it does, let me know! Sounds like an interesting idea!
I don't think counting will help you in magic. And magic won't help you too much in counting since you can't get your hands on the cards!
 

eps6724

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ScottH & Sonny;

Thanks much for the replies. Knowing to keep the running count going THROUGHOUT sure clears up a lot! As to card counting in magic-you're right, unless I can hold them (read that MANIPULATE them) it doesn't really matter how good my finger breaks/backpalming/side steal is. I'm just interested in the counting aspect for the BJ playing. (Unless a better magician than I can figure out how to utilize the count, but that'll probably appear on one of the magic BB's).

Anyway, thanks SO much for the information! Now, it's back to practicing!
 

ortango

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Eps,

Hope you are enjoying your learning of BJ. It may take a while, but you will find that there is irrefutable mathematics involved that prove counting works. Let me put it this way... Every time you hit or double, there is a card that you want right? Whether its a 4 to your 7, or a A to your 10. And every time you stand you know what you want the dealer to have under and what he should hit. Of course counting will not tell you what the ORDER of the cards are but it will give you an exact COMPOSITION of the remaining high and low cards. And of course its all about high and low cards right?

As far as the RC and TC at the beginning of the round, you use that number to SIZE your BET.

Then as the cards come out and its your turn, you use the current RC/TC to ADAPT your PLAY.

Repeat, rinse and take home the dinero.

BTW, I know a few nifty card tricks. But these days, when I show my pals or family, I finish off my 3-4 good magic tricks with this: I tell someone to pick one or two cards from the deck. Then I count it down in 15 seconds and tell them whether what they have, low, med or high cards, simply BY COUNTING :) and they think its a magic trick!

:cow:
 
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