Kings Shuffle machines

[theshuffleking]

Who has experience with shuffle machines that create a huge advantage or disadvantage, because cards get "stuck" it being that they do not come into the game?
I am especially interested in those that have experience with the King's shuffle machines.

 

[Rob McGarvey]

You have to be careful who answers this type of question. This can be uncharted territory, and that is where the lunatic fringe likes to hang out.

 

[learning to count]

Are these continuous shuffler's or just a shuffle machine???? If they are a CM then I dont play. If they are just a shuffler then I will play.

 

[The Mayor]

Not quite

This is not uncharted territory at all. There is a long history of trying and sometimes succeeding in beating these beasts. Remember, EVERY game must be looked at for advantage, I think the poster has exactly the right idea.

However, if it is the case that something is known about this, or other SM King defects, the last thing you would want to do is post the answer here or otherwise discuss it in a public forum.

--Mayor

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: Not quite

Basically I was warning this poster that there are people that would like to take advantage of players that want a get rich quick scheme, not that there is no possibility that the SM doesn't present an advantage. I know players that say the game is totally random and that is how they exploit it, and players that say it is not random and know how to exploit that. Could be different versions. I know the first version interlaced the cards in a sequence that could be tracked, but that version has long been off the casino floors. Do they have the math to prove it? If they do, as you suggest Mayor, they would be wise to keep that to themselves.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Re: Not quite

Well, I don't know about that, Mayor. Suppose there were an EASILY exploitable defect in the CSM's. I'd call up the major news networks with it and have them do a story, and bet you within 24 hours you wouldn't see a CSM in any casino anywhere. And the next time the CSM salesmen come around to the casinos with their new-and-improved product, the casinos will remember how they were burned last time and say "Uh, no thanks." So publicizing it could work to our advantage.

 

[theshuffleking]

Re: Not quite

Personally I have been thinking of keeping track of something like a running count. If after let say 10000 cards coming out, the count is +/- more than 500 then something must be wrong?!?
Does anyone know how many decks normally go into this Kings shuffle machine?

 

[Jenia]

If "Mayor" or someone else wants to discuss about the King SM privatily I'll be grateful.

Jenia