KISS III Index Question

Bogaerts

New Member
First off, let me just say thanks for all the help I have received from many of the users on these forums (I have been lurking for several months now and have used a great deal of advice given in many of these posts).

Just a quick intro and some background info before I get to my question (who knows, it could be useful information.....or not :)

Blackjack experience: Until the past 6 months, none (unless years of making all the wrong plays count as experience).
Taking the game seriously: About 6 months now.
BS skills: Practice everyday with misc software (CVBJ, Deepnet, online). For the most part, I stay with 100% on bs. I try to do about 1000 BS plays every morning before work. With CVBJ, I average close to 55 to 60 hands per minute (I'm a slow learner, it has taken me the past 6 months to get there).
Count System: KISS III and associated index plays as well as betting spread of 1 to 10 for 6D games......(I try to stay close to what the Blackjack Bluebook says since I dont trust any "instincts" I may have). I can count down a deck one at a time in about 20 - 25 sec or two at a time in about the same time.
BR: Since we vist Vegas so frequently, it's fairly small and depends on my situation at the time. It is replenishable so it may be as little as 500.00 or 1000 or slightly more. Just depends how much I can scrape together before I go :)
Just got back from Vegas about 2 weeks ago with my wife, (going back the end of this month again to see the Mr. O). Things went pretty good. It was the first time I attempted to count and the first time I was brave enough to play blackjack in a casino. Long story short (never is though), I left ahead so I was happy. I kind of chickened out on many of the high bets though so who knows how things would have went.

All that being said, on to my question...........
I will just use an example.....in a game, for instance, 6D;S17;DA2;DAS, BS says to stand on an A7 vs 2. No problem. With a RC of 19 or more, then you would double down on the same hand situation. I'm clear on all of that so far.
Now, lets say we have a game like this: 6D;H17;DA2;DAS. In this case, BS says to double down on the A7 vs 2. That seems to invalidate the index play of >=19 and make it always double on that hand.
To be honest, there are 9 or 10 other index plays that result in the same overlap problem with H17 vs S17 rules.
My question then, is this. Would the index plays take priority to the H17 or S17 rule, and you would simply continue to stand when lower than 19 and double when above (using this example)? Or, would they kind of do away with those 9 or 10 index plays (i.e. 9 vs 2/11 vs A, etc.)
From studying the BS charts, they seem to come and go depending on if the dealer hits or stands on 17.
Thanks for the help in advance.......just trying to get all this info straight in my head :)
 

Canceler

Well-Known Member
Just to get the ball rolling here...

I'm not sure what the point of your question is. An index number tells you that it will be better to play a hand differently because of the count. If the index play is the same as BS, how are you going to play differently?

In KO the index for doubling 11 vs A is +4. But I play H17, and doubling 11 vs A is BS. So I always double 11 vs A.

Does this come anywhere close to what you're asking? :confused:
 

Bogaerts

New Member
Canceler said:
I'm not sure what the point of your question is. An index number tells you that it will be better to play a hand differently because of the count. If the index play is the same as BS, how are you going to play differently?

In KO the index for doubling 11 vs A is +4. But I play H17, and doubling 11 vs A is BS. So I always double 11 vs A.

Does this come anywhere close to what you're asking? :confused:
That answers it exactly. It just seemed like half of the index plays would really just wind up being BS for H17 so I was just overthinking it then. Thanks for the response.....
 
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