KO and deck estimation

blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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Evening Gentlemen, I have been using the ko count perffered and wonder if there is a way to increase the accuracy to it. I am not a math or counting wizard but have a fairly decent command of the counting system. I understand the variance has alot to do with the system in question but is it feasible even though it's an unbalanced count system, to still use a deck estimation in the equation to more or less add to the accuracy? Any and all input would be appreciated. blackchipjim
 
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Canceler

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Lazy tonight...

This was discussed at length some time ago. Maybe Mikeaber or zg can dig up that thread for you.
 
supercoolmancool

supercoolmancool

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Well yes TKO does exist (true count KO) but I don't think it is recommended by anyone. If all you are doing is card counting then KO is the way to go. The true count conversions won't get you anything I think I hear.
 
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RJT

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If you're going to introduce a TC conversion to an unbalanced count system, are you not just as well moving over to a level one balanced count system?

RJT.
 
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SystemsTrader

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RJT said:
If you're going to introduce a TC conversion to an unbalanced count system, are you not just as well moving over to a level one balanced count system?

RJT.
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Exactly! Let's say we call it Hi-Lo.
 
Mikeaber

Mikeaber

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RJT said:
If you're going to introduce a TC conversion to an unbalanced count system, are you not just as well moving over to a level one balanced count system?

RJT.
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Yes. The thread that reference was made to was more or less an exercise in mental gymnastics. After all the pushups were performed, I discovered that TKO was already documented :laugh:
 
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RJT

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Lol, you had me racking my brain there to try and think of a reason that an unbalanced count with a TC conversion would be in any way preferable to a balanced count :laugh: .

RJT.
 
blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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brainf***

Evening gents. thank you for helping with that question. I guess when you try to think things out too much you start to muddle yourself. I did laugh when reading the replies when I got my head out of my ***. I am still dealing with variance thing when I get my arse kicked in at the table. Consecutive losses are hard to deal with but I'm still learning. Thanks again. blkchipjm
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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RJT said:
Lol, you had me racking my brain there to try and think of a reason that an unbalanced count with a TC conversion would be in any way preferable to a balanced count :laugh: .
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Actually there is some evidence that a TC-adjusted unbalanced system will slightly out-perform a balanced system. zg
 
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RJT

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Well i'd be interested to read about it. Any ideas where i can find a report ZG?
Thanks.

RJT.
 
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RJT

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But the difference that floating advantage makes is so small as to be pretty much dismisable.....

RJT.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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RJT said:
But the difference that floating advantage makes is so small as to be pretty much dismisable.....
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There may be a little more to it than that... BUT unless you are already using an UB'd count its not worth the effort to switch. IF you are using UB'd we can tell you howto convert it to TC-adjusted mode. One advantage to TC-adjusted mode is that you can use one set of indices for any #decks. zg
 
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supercoolmancool

supercoolmancool

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zengrifter said:
There may be a little more to it than that... BUT unless you are already using an UB'd count its not worth the effort to switch. IF you are using UB'd we can tell you howto convert it to TC-adjusted mode. One advantage to TC-adjusted mode is that you cane use one set of indices for any #decks. zg
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Hey! Tell me more. Sounds great to me.
 
supercoolmancool

supercoolmancool

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Yah i'm a deck estimation/true count conversion wizard. That's why this true count unbalanced thing should be such an easy upgrade. I mean I could use Hi lo, KO, Zen, or UBZ, but TKO and TUBZ are superior for sure. Isn't TKO and TUBZ are in fact easier than KO and Zen with just the same or greater power and 1 set of indexes?
 
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mdlbj

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I asked some one to divide -2 by 5 tonight.. The could not do it. When the shizzle happens. I think most people fold.. (Dead link: http://gizoogle.com)
 
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RJT

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My interest is more in why this would be more powerful. I'm a bit of a theory geek :joker:

RJT.
 
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