KO-Questions

[Terence]

First Hello to everyone here at this great forum,

I´d like to learn the KO-count, so I read a lot the last days on several websites.

I saw that there are a couple of modifications available. Is there such a thing like a comparison between the standard KO-preferred, the OK-count by qfit and the Color-KO by Leroy Nimka?

Also, Mr. Nimka does not provide a betting ramp for his CKO. I would also be interested in how to develop a betting spread 1-16, standard Las Vegas rules, 6D, S17.

His advice is to play more spots in adventegous situations, does this have an effect on my bet size and bet spread?

Sorry if this questions are ridiculous, but I´m a beginner.

Thanks in advance,
Terence

 

[Mimosine]

the first thing you should do is read "KO blackjack"
then decide if you want to learn it.

it costs about $13 and you could easily read it in a couple of days.

never heard of OK or CKO so i can't offer more advice.

 

[QFIT]

I saw that there are a couple of modifications available. Is there such a thing like a comparison between the standard KO-preferred, the OK-count by qfit and the Color-KO by Leroy Nimka?

OK has about 99% the win rate of KO Preferred. ReKO is better unless you are playing 8 decks or single deck. I've never simmed CKO.

 

[Terence]

Thank you both for your answers

I will read the book next week. I was just curious when I heard that this count has it´s deficit against hi-lo.
Some people use the True Edge Method of Arnold Snyder´s Red-Seven. But I think this takes the simplicity of this count which leds me to the Color-KO-Count by Nimka. He inplemented the decks which have been played in his index numbers.
Maybe anybody applied the C-KO, would be interested to hear about sucess or failure of this KO-version.

 

[21forme]

OK has about 99% the win rate of KO Preferred. ReKO is better unless you are playing 8 decks or single deck. I've never simmed CKO.

Norm,
reKO is better than what? KO Preferred?

 

[QFIT]

Norm,
reKO is better than what? KO Preferred?

ReKO is about the same as KO-P in performance. Just easier and designed for DD and 6 decks. It's a better strategy than OK because of its ease at these games.

 

[nightspirit]

a word from a non-counter

I will read the book next week. I was just curious when I heard that this count has it´s deficit against hi-lo.
Some people use the True Edge Method of Arnold Snyder´s Red-Seven. But I think this takes the simplicity of this count which leds me to the Color-KO-Count by Nimka. He inplemented the decks which have been played in his index numbers.

I think your are at a point were a lot of players stood at the beginning: What count to use?
I haven´t learned a system so far because I really don´t have the time besides my engineering studies (I have my priorities). But I watched the discussions about hi-lo vs. ko at some boards over the last years.

If you want to improve KO with True-KO or C-KO you need at least a few skill of deck estimation. For many players its easier to memorize just the indices for a exact position in the shoe, thats what C-KO does for positiv deck conditions. You look at the discard tray then you compare your RC with the Red, green or purple-level indices and make your play.

When you play 6D, you will do fine with reKO, it outperforms KO slightly in the more common penetrations and I think for casual player it´s the best choice because you don´t need the deck estimation.

That´s the point were I would prefer to learn a balanced Count such as hi-lo.
Deck estimation and dealing with fractions will become second nature the more you practice (I hope) and you will have a powerful-count from the bottom up without any need for improvements.

I also like the independence of hi-lo regardless of how many shoes (6 or 8D) you play. So you don´t need to memorize indices for the different number of decks just the I18 or C22, that´s all you need.

The only improvements I would make, would not be in the count itself, rather I would learn advanced techniques, I think thats the ultimate challenge of blackjack and for me. After completing my degree in engineering I will become a Doctor of Counting

So Terence it´s up to you. Just my 2 cents.

Nightspirit

 

[SystemsTrader]

True counting KO is actually one of the most powerful level 1 counts. It allows you to raise your bets earlier in positive counts and lower it late in shoes when you may actually have a disadvantage with KO-P which could have you putting out large bets when the house has the edge. Search around this forum for some of Renzey's posts on the flaws of using unbalanced KO.

 

[21forme]

True counting KO is actually one of the most powerful level 1 counts. It allows you to raise your bets earlier in positive counts and lower it late in shoes when you may actually have a disadvantage with KO-P which could have you putting out large bets when the house has the edge. Search around this forum for some of Renzey's posts on the flaws of using unbalanced KO.

Do you have a link or reference for True KO (besides Renzy's and my posts on adjusting the pivot point based on decks played)?

 

[SystemsTrader]

Do you have a link or reference for True KO (besides Renzy's and my posts on adjusting the pivot point based on decks played)?

Go to http://www.Advantageplayer.com and search the forums.