Anybody see it last night? They finally talked abour card counting but that aspect was disappointing. Someone said something positive about counters, like it should be ok since they are only using their brains. But then that was counteracted by "counters can bankrupt a casino." Yeah, right. That segment will probably help casinos since it just showed the counter winning every time she played. Again, yeah right. At least I got to hear the Pina Colada song a few times. I guess the counting theme fell in between the pool scenes and the Jon Lovitz scenes (some of his scenes were actually pretty funny although the dropped bottle was too predictable). Overall, this show is ok but I always seem to be drawn to it.
Las Vegas: The Show
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Yeah, I saw the episode ....
1) There was the comment that pretty soon we would bankrupt the casinos (given free range and an excellent game, I would certainly do my part). This is beyond silly.
2) Using a security camera or a song to relay information about the count is NOT using a cheating device, because such a device is defined to be one that helps predict, or alters, the natural outcome of the game.
3) The casino security thought it was just fine to work out a deal with two of the accomplices so that they would testify against a co-worker. I didn't know that casino security had that legal authority to make plea bargains with felons who were not represented by council.
4) Did you notice how the same people had access to all levels of security and were dressed like they made $100 per year? I think not. Try $15/hour in a dingy little room.
5) The security locked up the kid in the coffee shop and directed that he would finish out his shift in a little room -- that seems at the very least to be kidnapping.
6) Every time the lady wonged in, she won a lot of money. I don't know about you, but I get killed pretty often in rich shoes. It seems like an awful lot of work and risk to play about 20 hands of BJ. She would buy in for $10k and cash out for $50k-$90k on every shoe. If only...
7) Why did every character assume that if they were told to follow the security to a back room or office, then they had to do so?
There has to be a lot more...
1) There was the comment that pretty soon we would bankrupt the casinos (given free range and an excellent game, I would certainly do my part). This is beyond silly.
2) Using a security camera or a song to relay information about the count is NOT using a cheating device, because such a device is defined to be one that helps predict, or alters, the natural outcome of the game.
3) The casino security thought it was just fine to work out a deal with two of the accomplices so that they would testify against a co-worker. I didn't know that casino security had that legal authority to make plea bargains with felons who were not represented by council.
4) Did you notice how the same people had access to all levels of security and were dressed like they made $100 per year? I think not. Try $15/hour in a dingy little room.
5) The security locked up the kid in the coffee shop and directed that he would finish out his shift in a little room -- that seems at the very least to be kidnapping.
6) Every time the lady wonged in, she won a lot of money. I don't know about you, but I get killed pretty often in rich shoes. It seems like an awful lot of work and risk to play about 20 hands of BJ. She would buy in for $10k and cash out for $50k-$90k on every shoe. If only...
7) Why did every character assume that if they were told to follow the security to a back room or office, then they had to do so?
There has to be a lot more...
Stealth Bomber
Well-Known Member
Bankrupting the Belagio or Venetian
with a 1% advantage and a 25K bankroll. I'm sure ya'll would be bettin'
on me to make that happen. ;-)
with a 1% advantage and a 25K bankroll. I'm sure ya'll would be bettin'
on me to make that happen. ;-)
Sonny
Well-Known Member
Count communication question
> 2) Using a security camera or a song to relay information about the count is
> NOT using a cheating device, because such a device is defined to be one that
> helps predict, or alters, the natural outcome of the game.
Is there any way that communicating the count to another player is cheating? I seem to remember Snyder (I think) talking about using sign language. Since card counting is legal it doesn't seem like it would be illegal to share that information with anyone else.
But signaling the hole card is cheating because the information is not available (visible) to all players, right?
-Sonny-
> 2) Using a security camera or a song to relay information about the count is
> NOT using a cheating device, because such a device is defined to be one that
> helps predict, or alters, the natural outcome of the game.
Is there any way that communicating the count to another player is cheating? I seem to remember Snyder (I think) talking about using sign language. Since card counting is legal it doesn't seem like it would be illegal to share that information with anyone else.
But signaling the hole card is cheating because the information is not available (visible) to all players, right?
-Sonny-
I was excited at first...
I was excited when my girlfriend told me about the premise of up the upcoming show. Although I usually watch it anyway for entertainment, and the babes on the show are unreal... I thought it was funny when the "second in command" guy said something like "If we let one do it, we have to let em all do it, and it will bankrupt us" or something like that. But then towards the end of the show, they said "Conters are a dime a dozen, it's the method they are using that could hurt us?
But anyway it went from them worrying about if she was an alone counter (because she was winning so consistently???) but that was quickly dismissed that she wasn't counting. Then of course they were worried about team play, which I think would be the only realistic thing about this story, as far as having any fear, it would be of team play.
But some things come to mind:
Her cover was wicked bad. I mean, if somebody is trying look like a ploppy, using a BS card, why wouldn't they get really excited about winning? I mean, I make it point to seam excited when I get a natural when I have the min bet up there. If she was trying look like a high roller, she blew it when she was asked "Do you have a host" and she replied in snooty way "I don't even know what that is"??
I know they made them give the money back, but after they found out what was going on, why didn't they at least shuffle up on her after she got to the table the last time she won? I think it would be more interesting to see that happen.
And, finishing your shift in the back room is at least kidnaping, but seeing how he would obviously get fired, maybe the few extra hours in his pay check might be helpful.
I mean, I know it's a TV show, but the TV shos lately have put AP's in a bad light I think.
-Jaxel
I was excited when my girlfriend told me about the premise of up the upcoming show. Although I usually watch it anyway for entertainment, and the babes on the show are unreal... I thought it was funny when the "second in command" guy said something like "If we let one do it, we have to let em all do it, and it will bankrupt us" or something like that. But then towards the end of the show, they said "Conters are a dime a dozen, it's the method they are using that could hurt us?
But anyway it went from them worrying about if she was an alone counter (because she was winning so consistently???) but that was quickly dismissed that she wasn't counting. Then of course they were worried about team play, which I think would be the only realistic thing about this story, as far as having any fear, it would be of team play.
But some things come to mind:
Her cover was wicked bad. I mean, if somebody is trying look like a ploppy, using a BS card, why wouldn't they get really excited about winning? I mean, I make it point to seam excited when I get a natural when I have the min bet up there. If she was trying look like a high roller, she blew it when she was asked "Do you have a host" and she replied in snooty way "I don't even know what that is"??
I know they made them give the money back, but after they found out what was going on, why didn't they at least shuffle up on her after she got to the table the last time she won? I think it would be more interesting to see that happen.
And, finishing your shift in the back room is at least kidnaping, but seeing how he would obviously get fired, maybe the few extra hours in his pay check might be helpful.
I mean, I know it's a TV show, but the TV shos lately have put AP's in a bad light I think.
-Jaxel
Excitement
I, too, was excited when I heard that the show would, at least partly, be about card counting. Youe reservations about her reactions (what's a host?, etc) are that of an AP, not a ploppy. This wasn't a sophisticated operation from a counting perspective and she really didn't know much. She was just looking to make some quick money. What was unclear was who bankrolled the operation because she was betting 10k a hand and none of them (except maybe pretty boy) seem to have much money.
I, too, was excited when I heard that the show would, at least partly, be about card counting. Youe reservations about her reactions (what's a host?, etc) are that of an AP, not a ploppy. This wasn't a sophisticated operation from a counting perspective and she really didn't know much. She was just looking to make some quick money. What was unclear was who bankrolled the operation because she was betting 10k a hand and none of them (except maybe pretty boy) seem to have much money.
LV Bear
Administrator
Signaling hole card is NOT cheating
See Sheriff of Clark County v. Einbender and Dalben, Nevada Supreme Court case number 15797, opinion filed 12/18/1984. The Nevada Supreme Court specifically found that signaling a fellow player at the table as to the hole card is legal. That opinion is still in effect today. I am not aware of any court in any jurisdiction that has found hole card play and one player signaling another player to be illegal, in the absence of collusion with a dishonest dealer.
In the Nevada case, the Court was not presented with the question of the legality of signals from people not playing at the table.
See Sheriff of Clark County v. Einbender and Dalben, Nevada Supreme Court case number 15797, opinion filed 12/18/1984. The Nevada Supreme Court specifically found that signaling a fellow player at the table as to the hole card is legal. That opinion is still in effect today. I am not aware of any court in any jurisdiction that has found hole card play and one player signaling another player to be illegal, in the absence of collusion with a dishonest dealer.
In the Nevada case, the Court was not presented with the question of the legality of signals from people not playing at the table.
Sonny
Well-Known Member
SWEET!!!!!
> I am not aware of any court in any jurisdiction that has found hole card
> play and one player signaling another player to be illegal, in the absence
> of collusion with a dishonest dealer.
So two players could sit at first and third base and signal eachother whenever one of them sees a card (hole card, burn card, next card, etc.).
Awesome.
-Sonny-
> I am not aware of any court in any jurisdiction that has found hole card
> play and one player signaling another player to be illegal, in the absence
> of collusion with a dishonest dealer.
So two players could sit at first and third base and signal eachother whenever one of them sees a card (hole card, burn card, next card, etc.).
Awesome.
-Sonny-