Let's hear it for the Kiss III count!

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rogue1

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O.K., so there I am at this 6 deck shoe game-excellent pen 5 decks. My big bet is $50.00 and the count is 37!!!!! Two other players at the table and it looks like this next round may be the last round-I can hear Fred saying "if there was ever a time to play 2 hands this is it".
I put out $50.00 on two hands and the dealers upcard is an Ace! Gadzooks!
Of course I now take insurance and the dealers downcard is a 10.
I took a few bathroom breaks-all coinciding with counts that had tanked and occasionally deterred from Basic Strategy if the count called for doing so.

In short,I'm really starting to feel like a card player!
 
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Diver

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Not KISS III but KO Preferred

I had the opportunity to insure a few hands this weekend. One of the really nice one's was getting paid off when the count was high enough that all three players had a 20 ( I commented that the previous dealer Ace's did not have a BJ, so he was "due"). But I was a bit concerned about how exposed I was in insuring a 14 against a dealer Ace. I lost and probably looked stupid to the other players, but if I'd won, I wonder how it would have appeared? Most of the discussion about insuracne I've seen outside of counting has to do with the viability of the players hand which would argue against insuring a weak hand. When I make an insurance bet, I tend to mumble something like I have too much out to risk getting hit.
 
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Canceler

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Diver said:
But I was a bit concerned about how exposed I was in insuring a 14 against a dealer Ace.
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If anybody questions it, you just explain that you're insuring your bet, not your hand.

It just occurred to me that I seldom know what my hand is when I take insurance. I've already counted all the cards, and now I'm too busy trying to get my insurance bet out before they close insurance. Only after all that do I notice what my hand is.

Diver said:
When I make an insurance bet, I tend to mumble something like I have too much out to risk getting hit.
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You don't have to mumble... "With that amount of money out there, OF COURSE I'm going to take insurance!"
 
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Knox

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The thing I don't like about 6D games is index play situations are rare. It's always great fun to play an index. I find that they come up much more frequently in DD games. I understand that sometimes you just have to take the game that's offered though. Another downside to 6D is you can sometimes play for hours with very few positive counts. And we all know that a great count is no guarantee of a win. I do like the minimal attention pit bosses often pay to 6D game, smugly thinking that it is too hard to beat.
 
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Diver

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Knox said:
The thing I don't like about 6D games is index play situations are rare. It's always great fun to play an index. I find that they come up much more frequently in DD games. I understand that sometimes you just have to take the game that's offered though. Another downside to 6D is you can sometimes play for hours with very few positive counts. And we all know that a great count is no guarantee of a win. I do like the minimal attention pit bosses often pay to 6D game, smugly thinking that it is too hard to beat.
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On a trip to Vegas, I made up my early losses from a DD game with marginal penetration at a 6D game with good pen. I eventually found a DD game with good pen. which was rewarding.
 
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Kasi

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rogue1 said:
What's not technically right?
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Oh no big deal Rogue. I just meant all that co-variance stuff so playing 2 hands at the same amount will increase your risk a little compared to just one hand. But playing, in your case 2 hands of $35 or $40, still gets more money on the table but keeps the risk the same.

Not that the extra $20 bucks matters and not to mention who's really going to stack up a couple $40 bet lol.

So you did fine :)
 
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Kasi

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Knox said:
The thing I don't like about 6D games is index play situations are rare. It's always great fun to play an index. I find that they come up much more frequently in DD games.
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Don't know KISS but there's a bunch of index plays in Hi-Lo from -1 to +1. But I'm sure you're right about DD.

I like playing them too - the main value to me is they tend to really piss people off when I'm hitting 12 vs 4 or 6, 13 vs 2, doubling an A,8 vs 5 or 6, etc. lol. It's just it doesn't matter much because, from an AP point of view, min bet is usually out in these situations if you're even playing at all.

Sometimes a big better with a split $400 hand and one double will pay me to not do it when I'm sitting at 3rd and start wondering whether I should hit that 13 vs 3 or 12 vs 5 with my $10 bet out lol.

Although sometimes he just wants to beat me up for making him lose lol.
 
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