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careful...
unless this was a tribal joint out in the boonies, likely that overpay was discovered. the discovery should have been no later than the next (checque rack) count, usually before the shift change...= "close". it would be surveillance's responsibility to rerun all tapes until the shortage was spotted. first suspect would be the dealer. then the table fills and markers (if any), would be checked. any surveillance agent worth a sh*t would notice the overpay. if the amount were significant, depending on the sweat factor of the joint, likely the dealer would be fired. and, depending on how much juice the pitstiff has, he/she as well. pitstiffs are required to "approve" all color-ups, checque changes, and buy-ins.
a similar situation has become public, in a slot department. a fellow was playing a newly opened, "locals", west side joint when he noticed that a slot was overpaying all wins. apparently there had been some switch of circuit boards, between adjacent machines when they were being installed. the fellow "won" well over $10k. the error was discovered. the fellow returned a day or so for another shot at the same machine. he was recognized from surveillance tapes and detained for gaming investigators to arrive. i don't know what finally happened as to criminal charges. bottom line, if you were to keep the overpay, for sure i wouldn't revisit that joint, any joint owned by the same corporate group, and any joint which because of geographic vicinity, might share information between surveillance departments.
unless this was a tribal joint out in the boonies, likely that overpay was discovered. the discovery should have been no later than the next (checque rack) count, usually before the shift change...= "close". it would be surveillance's responsibility to rerun all tapes until the shortage was spotted. first suspect would be the dealer. then the table fills and markers (if any), would be checked. any surveillance agent worth a sh*t would notice the overpay. if the amount were significant, depending on the sweat factor of the joint, likely the dealer would be fired. and, depending on how much juice the pitstiff has, he/she as well. pitstiffs are required to "approve" all color-ups, checque changes, and buy-ins.
a similar situation has become public, in a slot department. a fellow was playing a newly opened, "locals", west side joint when he noticed that a slot was overpaying all wins. apparently there had been some switch of circuit boards, between adjacent machines when they were being installed. the fellow "won" well over $10k. the error was discovered. the fellow returned a day or so for another shot at the same machine. he was recognized from surveillance tapes and detained for gaming investigators to arrive. i don't know what finally happened as to criminal charges. bottom line, if you were to keep the overpay, for sure i wouldn't revisit that joint, any joint owned by the same corporate group, and any joint which because of geographic vicinity, might share information between surveillance departments.
LV Bear
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Good advice from gehrig
... the fellow returned a day or so for another shot at the same machine. he was recognized from surveillance tapes and detained for gaming investigators to arrive. i don't know what finally happened as to criminal charges. ...
I believe gehrig is referring to the case at the Rampart, then known as The Resort at Summerlin. If that's the one, the player was never charged with anything, nor should he have been. He did nothing wrong, other than take perfectly legal advantage of casino employee negligence and stupidity. The casino settled their portion of his lawsuit against it for the illegal "detention" by security guards. His lawsuit against the Gaming Control Board and the corrupt agents is still pending.
Nevertheless, gehrig's advice is right on the money, as usual. Casinos do not play fair or within the law. Though no crime was committed by the player in accepting the overpayment, do not trust a casino to behave lawfully. It may well try to kidnap ("backroom") you, or try to use threats of violence or threats of fabricated criminal charges to extort the money out of you if you return. In Nevada, many corrupt Gaming agents would be happy to assist with the attempted extortion.
... the fellow returned a day or so for another shot at the same machine. he was recognized from surveillance tapes and detained for gaming investigators to arrive. i don't know what finally happened as to criminal charges. ...
I believe gehrig is referring to the case at the Rampart, then known as The Resort at Summerlin. If that's the one, the player was never charged with anything, nor should he have been. He did nothing wrong, other than take perfectly legal advantage of casino employee negligence and stupidity. The casino settled their portion of his lawsuit against it for the illegal "detention" by security guards. His lawsuit against the Gaming Control Board and the corrupt agents is still pending.
Nevertheless, gehrig's advice is right on the money, as usual. Casinos do not play fair or within the law. Though no crime was committed by the player in accepting the overpayment, do not trust a casino to behave lawfully. It may well try to kidnap ("backroom") you, or try to use threats of violence or threats of fabricated criminal charges to extort the money out of you if you return. In Nevada, many corrupt Gaming agents would be happy to assist with the attempted extortion.
blueeyedsamurai
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Perhaps you should
never have come on a public message board shouting about your good fortune. Your ability to play dumb has been somewhat diminished and if the error had not been discovered I would imagine every casino troll who works in a jojntnwhere the chips have recently been changed is in the break room telling all his buddies about you.
Quickest way to make an enemy is to make a fool of a friend.
never have come on a public message board shouting about your good fortune. Your ability to play dumb has been somewhat diminished and if the error had not been discovered I would imagine every casino troll who works in a jojntnwhere the chips have recently been changed is in the break room telling all his buddies about you.
Quickest way to make an enemy is to make a fool of a friend.
the rampart casino...
when they first opened, a couple of resurrections ago, had a cool barfet. the "marketplace" upstairs had an $18.95 evening spread which included lobsters, sawn in half lengthwise. i recall a fellow who had at least a half dozen of those halves stacked on his plate, lincoln log style. my fellow diner buddy who has been in high end food managemnet since the 60's, said : "they didn't make any money of that guy. those lobsters are over $8 each wholesale".
on opening night, i reported on the 21 games. most noticeable was the presence of andy anderson. he was walking the floor with apparently a casino suit.
when they first opened, a couple of resurrections ago, had a cool barfet. the "marketplace" upstairs had an $18.95 evening spread which included lobsters, sawn in half lengthwise. i recall a fellow who had at least a half dozen of those halves stacked on his plate, lincoln log style. my fellow diner buddy who has been in high end food managemnet since the 60's, said : "they didn't make any money of that guy. those lobsters are over $8 each wholesale".
on opening night, i reported on the 21 games. most noticeable was the presence of andy anderson. he was walking the floor with apparently a casino suit.
gorilla player
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buffet
Ever think they might want you stuffed at the buffet, then plastered with free drinks at the tables, so that you might not play at your best?
Ever think they might want you stuffed at the buffet, then plastered with free drinks at the tables, so that you might not play at your best?
no.
since beverages are rarely offered freely at barfets, getting a puss full would be a financially disadvantageous play for the card counter. a few exceptions exist, such as a free beer or glass of wine, at a couple of barfets. weekend brunches *do* often have some level of champagne.
were one to overeat, could be that one might become lathargic. it all depends on why you visit each joint. as to barfets, i rarely play in those joints which have quality/edible barfets. this and last week (lots of visitors), bellagio, aladdin, and paris. i do not play these games for a couple of reasons, hence there is no conflict. in the joints which have the best games, there are no barfets at all or if offered, the barfets are mediocre in my estimation.
conclusion is that if one were to be made comatose from alcohol abuse or overeating, one is not an "advantage" player.
since beverages are rarely offered freely at barfets, getting a puss full would be a financially disadvantageous play for the card counter. a few exceptions exist, such as a free beer or glass of wine, at a couple of barfets. weekend brunches *do* often have some level of champagne.
were one to overeat, could be that one might become lathargic. it all depends on why you visit each joint. as to barfets, i rarely play in those joints which have quality/edible barfets. this and last week (lots of visitors), bellagio, aladdin, and paris. i do not play these games for a couple of reasons, hence there is no conflict. in the joints which have the best games, there are no barfets at all or if offered, the barfets are mediocre in my estimation.
conclusion is that if one were to be made comatose from alcohol abuse or overeating, one is not an "advantage" player.