LVC Heat

phantom007

Well-Known Member
During recent LV trip, got the AGBBJ (Any Game But BJ) at the LVC.

Last year, I stayed at LVC for several days, and 6:1 spread their SD games for several multi-hour marathon sessions, and received no heat and little scrutiny, albeit with mostly red action. Food comps in their cafe were easy, though getting free cigarettes was PC-dependent...one PC told me I needed 4 hours of green action...another said "no problem" after about 1 hour of red play. I did not even ask about room comps after the cigarette experience.

This trip, I was going to stay there, but they were full one of the nights I needed, thus made alternate arrangements. After touring the LL, GS, and EC, I decided it was time to hit the LVC. I entered with a full stomach and a full pack of smokes, and had no need/want for any comps. SO WHY DID I GIVE THEM MY PLAYER's CARD??? Well, I guess it was to "build up" points for a future trip...STUPID!

Time:

0:00---Entered casino, found all $10. SD to be full or nearly so. Found empty $25. table. Bought chips and started playing (and winning) with 3:1 spread. No major rocket science here....start with $50. bet...decrease to $25. in neg. cts., leave it there in pos. cts., and bump it to $75. at +6. If I got caught with the big bet out and the dealer unexpectedly shuffled (i.e., unexpectedly stuffed current deck into the shuffling machine and pulled out another), I just left it there.

0:20---Oriental lady buys in...spreads $25-300., using some yet to be published anti-Thorp system...big bets in neg. cts. and little bets in pos. cts., splits 2's vs. 10, and does not DD 11 vs. 6! Loses big, buys more chips, and starts winning! This is going to be great cover...I am the little fish in the pond.

0:45---Oriental lady invents new game...kind of like BJ + 3-card poker...except hers was "BJ + SLOTS". If she lost a hand that she thought she should have won, she would simply abandon the table (and her envious stacks of green and black), and go over to feed a nearby bank of slots. If it was not for the "no mid-shoe" rule, I would have suspected her to be "anti-Wonging"....waiting for TC's to be appropriately NEG. before returning to the game. PC seemed nervous about her unattended chips, and gave them lots of attention. GREAT!

1:10---Had doubled my buy-in. Oriental lady exits table with a nice net win (do not know now she did on slots, though she was not carrying a "coin bucket").
Suspect the pen. was too deep for her system.

1:15---Noticed PC from a distance watching me, well actually, HE WAS WATCHING THE CARDS! He was counting right along with me, or so it seemed. The proper play, of course, LEAVE! Or go to the bathroom, and see if he is still interested when you get back. Or make a few stupid plays/bets....could have used the Anti-Thorp count system I had just learned, or hell, could have played "BJ + SLOTS". My play, of course, just keep on playing. He probably cannot count that good. And who cares about a 3:1 spread, right?

1:20---WRONG! Any game but BJ!

Oh well. Experience.

phantom007.
 
Wow, any-game-butted for 1:3. If you are using HO2 you are barely in positive EV with no spread, so you can flat bet or maybe bet 1 to 2 hands when a PC is counting with you. Unlikely any PC uses anything but High-Low so an advanced count will throw them off, just a little.

I've only been to LVC once a few years ago. Funny story: I'm in the men's room, sitting on the stool discharging my duty, and somebody comes in and starts smashing the door of the stall. I curse him and tell him to get out of here before I call the cops. Turns out it was the cops. They were after somebody who was hiding in the stall next to mine. They apologized, then broke down his door and dragged him out of the bathroom. What a city.
 

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
I have been booted from LVC several times. I don't know what it will be like under new ownership, though. They may forget the backoff in a few months.

A few years back I witnessed a counter freely spreading $25-$500 on their single deck without heat. Hats off to the pros!

--Mayor
 

BlackJackHack

Well-Known Member
I don't know what the heat is like at the red level there, but you cannot spread 1:6 at green there for longer than 15 minutes without having your own personal PC staring straight at your eyes for the remainder of your (short) visit.

BTW, try not to use the anachronistic "Oriental" - to many Asians, it is quite comparable to calling a black person a "negro"
 

Hal Jordan

Active Member
Interesting story. I have heard several players complain of heat here, but fortunately I never seem to have a problem. Both them and the Horseshoe (pre-Harrah's) always have treated my wallet well. Give them a shot again in a few months.

HJ
 

LV Bear

Administrator
I've played there without problems after previous backoff

Short sessions recommended, as usual.
 

LVC security

New Member
Re: I've played there without problems after previous backoff

Okay Ms bear we know who you are! Your the lucky cute blonde with the big eyes! We only let you play because its good for business! A good looking lady such as your self attracts more suckers! So for now "MS BEAR" you can play!!!!!
 

Felix Rue-de-Guerre

Well-Known Member
No!

When referring to the descendents of the mongoloid genealogy, 'Oriental' seems more accurate. Russians are Asian too because they live on the Asian continent.

I think when someone normally refers to an 'Asian' they are refering to a yellow-skined person with slanted eyes. To me this is a bit racicist to an Asian of Russian descent. The most accurate and respectful term for a Mongoloid is 'Oriental'.

-Felix
 

BlackJackHack

Well-Known Member
Re: No!

If you need to be more specific, you can say "East Asian" when referring to Japan/China/Korea or "South Asian" when referring to India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. If you insist on using the term "Oriental," you will offend some people, and come across as old-fashioned and/or stupid to everybody else. Frankly, I don't find the terms "oriental" and "negro" racist, just hopelessly outdated.

A "Usage Note" following the term "oriental" in the American Heritage Dictionary (see http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/oriental):

Usage Note: Asian is now strongly preferred in place of Oriental for persons native to Asia or descended from an Asian people. The usual objection to Orientalmeaning "eastern"is that it identifies Asian countries and peoples in terms of their location relative to Europe. However, this objection is not generally made of other Eurocentric terms such as Near and Middle Eastern. The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable.
 

Rob McGarvey

Well-Known Member
Lessons

You people have got to get out to the city sometime. With enough exposure, you'll be able to dif between Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Tiawanese, and possibly between Indian and Pakistani. If in doubt, just call her a lady and leave it at that. And if one of us white folks doesn't get your country right, take it easy. To us, it really doesn't matter where you are from, you're ALL PLOPPIES unless you count! smile

One Love, One Count
Let's get together and feel alrite

Bob McMarley
 

djm

New Member
Negro/Oriental vs. Counter/Cheater

If African-Americans are so offended by the word "Negro", then howcome the term is still used by the United Negro College Fund? Also, several rap songs and black-oriented films used the much-more offensive term "N*gger", and yet I hear very little objection to that (as long as a "white" person doesn't use the term) from African-American leaders.
Don't forget that to most ill-informed casino patrons, the term "Card Counter" is synonymous with "Cheater".
 
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