Mayor's Podium

Rob McGarvey

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Looks like our errected officals are sleeping again! Someone get the shariff to blast his shot gun off in the Mayor's office and wake his gal-darned....wha? He ain't in the office? Don't tell me he took up golf! I know he isn't in school like he said he was going to be. Where in the blue blazes is he? OH! Out posting at BJ21 again? Goodness gracious, great balls of fire! Get yur self back her Mayor! Yur public awaits thee!! Have them thar November and December per diums on the managers desk ASAP or someone will vote you down to washing chips at the El Cortez. ;>
 

SammyBoy

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Re: Here is a link

Mayor, you may have done for the Big 6 Wheel what Thorp's book did for BJ. ;-)
 

Victoria

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Banned!!

I want to be the first. Banned by a casino for counting revolutions on the big wheel. Can see it now, random rotation generators added to every wheel.
 

Sonny

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Gets the mind working!

Ah, another masterpiece! This is even better than the Wiz's advantage play technique for "Flip-It!"

BTW, how long will it be before the "Big 6" teams swoop in and burn the game out?

-Sonny-
 

Rob McGarvey

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Re: Banned!!

You will not be the first. I've read a similar story elseware about three years ago. The trick is to not play it too hard, and not tell anyone about it. ;> I wonder what the Las Vegas Big 6 Wheel Mafia has to say about this. The shot Kennedy for much less!
 

Big Cowboy

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Re: Gets the mind working!

Mr. Mayor,

I love how this web site really does open up one's mind to possibilities. I'll never look at a wheel of fortune the same again.
 

Victoria

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Coutermeasure noticed on the strip

Rob

You got me thinking. At one of the places in Vegas, I noticed that when you walk in the main entrance you see two big wheels with tall show girls working them. Since these ladies are tall and strong enough to give the wheel random spins, this casino may have taken measures already against teams of revolution counters.
 

The Mayor

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Re: Coutermeasure noticed on the strip

What I noticed in looking at a lot of these wheels is that the rubber stoppers are very "loose" so that the wheel easily spins 10 times before stopping, and the stopping seems to take forever as it barely makes it in to about 20 more spaces. It's almost as if they don't exist.

The key is finding a weak spinner and a wheel that has firm stoppers. These are rare, but are the basic ingredients. Next, make sure the spinner looks bored, as if she is on automatic pilot. Finally, make sure the wheel has two 40-1 payoff spaces, or else you will be there a long time waiting for your one to line up.

--Mayor
 

Abraham de Moivre

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Hey Mayor!

Don't you want to credit the source of the 'seed' that helped with your wheel discovery?

You did have a 105% advantage on the bet, but you didn't have 105% overall. I assume you made some $1 and $2 bets on the 1:1 shot (the lowest house edge bet), so the wheel would keep spinning while you waited for the 40:1 shot to 'line up'.

It would look strange to only play occasionally, plunking down max 40:1 bets, and then not betting. Your cover bets, in between your "I FEEL LUCKY" max bets, have to be considered when calculating your EV.

If you can find a wheel that is being played with 1 or 2 others (where do all the suckers come from?) that could be good too. That way you can 'wong out' for a few spins while waiting for the jackpot to line up, and not be as noticeable.

Another Minor Point:
Beware of the wheel spinners who decide to give you an extra hard spin "for luck" when they see you bet the 40:1 shot. Some might do it on purpose, sort of like a dealer giving you the premature shuffle up when you bet big in BlackJack. You have to keep the dealer in his natural rhythm, so he keeps spinning the wheel consistently.

Scenario of a future TV show:
Since most of the big wheels are placed in front of the casinos near the entrance, can you imagine someone sitting outside (high power binoculars, super zoom lens) monitoring the wheel. Or perhaps from way across the casino floor with a tiny hidden micro camera feeding the van outside. Then the secret radio transmission to the hidden ear piece of the "drunk" at the bar. BET ON THE JOKER NOW!!! Drunk staggers over to the wheel, throws a chunk of money on the spot after missing the entire table a couple of times, and ... ...
 

Victoria

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Abraham?

Abraham

I think you have been watching too much of that new comedy on NBC called Vegas, but when they run the big wheel episode make sure you get paid.
 

The Mayor

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Re: Hey Mayor!

>Don't you want to credit the source of the 'seed' that helped with your wheel discovery?

You are right -- thanks to Grosjean for his insights in "Beyond Countin". Also there is a story about it in the Green Chip archives at bj21.com. Both of these prove that for a long time the game has been known to be beatable in the right circumstances.

>You did have a 105% advantage on the bet, but you didn't have 105% overall. I assume you made some $1 and $2 bets on the 1:1 shot (the lowest house edge bet), so the wheel would keep spinning while you waited for the 40:1 shot to 'line up'.

You are right again, but usually because she was so accurate, I would bet on the 20-1 that was in her range while waiting for the 40-1's.

>It would look strange to only play occasionally, plunking down max 40:1 bets, and then not betting. Your cover bets, in between your "I FEEL LUCKY" max bets, have to be considered when calculating your EV.

Yes, I considered writing all that, but didn't think it need be said. You are right though. I lost a lot of bets waiting.

>If you can find a wheel that is being played with 1 or 2 others (where do all the suckers come from?) that could be good too. That way you can 'wong out' for a few spins while waiting for the jackpot to line up, and not be as noticeable.

Or else, get a team all betting house max on the 40-1 then house-min on the 1-1 :cool:

>Another Minor Point:
Beware of the wheel spinners who decide to give you an extra hard spin "for luck" when they see you bet the 40:1 shot. Some might do it on purpose, sort of like a dealer giving you the premature shuffle up when you bet big in BlackJack.

At some points her spin suddenly became chaotic and unpredictible, but that didn't last long (a couple of spins) then it would settle in again. The point is that everyone at the table had to look and act bored, and no new people could come to the table -- then she would get this blank stare and just spin it the way she always did.

>You have to keep the dealer in his natural rhythm, so he keeps spinning the wheel consistently.

Yes. Boredom is the key to beating the wheel. If you get excited when you win, it is all over for a few spins. I think getting a spinner on Thorazine would be optimal.

Take care,

--Mayor
 

Abraham de Moivre

Well-Known Member
Re: Hey Mayor!

You Da Man, Mayor!

Thanks for your insights.

I think the secretly slipping the spinner some Thorazine will be a part of next week's TV script.
 

Rob McGarvey

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Re: Gets the mind working!

I have heard they will not let Pat-Say-Jack play the big 6 in LV. And those tall show girls? hehehe Crossdressing Carney's! laugh
 
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