mentor count

[cphessy]

Hello all,

I've been successfully using HiLo with I18 for awhile now, and am thinking of moving up to a level 2 system.

Any opinions on Fred Renzey's Mentor Count?

It seems pretty sound, except the truing to 2 decks throws me off a bit. Also, there is only 1 set of indices given for count play. Isn't the threshold for certain plays dependant on the number of decks?

 

[zengrifter]

-- my responses:

I've been successfully using HiLo with I18 for awhile now, and am thinking of moving up to a level 2 system.

-- stay w/level1 and add more indices/play faster/longer.

Any opinions on Fred Renzey's Mentor Count?

-- somebody please explain what renzey's-mentor is?

It seems pretty sound, except the truing to 2 decks throws me off a bit.

-- you may have some confusion, how do you do it now?

Also, there is only 1 set of indices given for count play. Isn't the threshold for certain plays dependant on the number of decks?

-- NO, use ONE set for any #decks. zg

 

[Cyrano]

It's a level 2 unbalanced count with the same pe's/bc's as UBZII. I wasn't able to find the tag values though.

I agree.. learn more indices. No matter if you learn a different count, if you're playing pitch games (you mentioned 2D games), learn more indices!

If you get confused with TC conversions, it's probably good for you to change to the mentor count.

By the way, try this "other" way of TC conversion (presented by Snyder's BBinBJ): instead of dividing the RC by the number of decks, try dividing the RC by the index number. That should give you a "minimum number of decks left" needed for you to vary your play.

 

[cphessy]

actually its a balanced count
indices are -1,1,2,2,2,2,1,0,-1,-2

with regards to the indices being the same for any given number of decks
http://www.cardcounter.com/indices/-11111100-1.htm (Archive copy)

the above link instructs different play for SD,DD, and 6D
and its from this website as well

i have been following that link for I18 play with hilo and i'm now wondering which set of indices is correct.

 

[zengrifter]

Re: mentor count ONE SET!

Never mind Elliot's chart, just learn ONE SET of #s for any #decks! zg

 

[Cyrano]

Re: mentor count *LINK*

Odd, I thought I read somewhere that it was unbalanced. My fault. In any case, it's interesting to see how close it is to the Zen count. Here's a little tidbit I'd like to throw in. I've recently been studying Brett Harris' work and he's discovered that counting the 9 as a -1 is harmful to win rates even though it boosts BC. The alternative is to learn the Zen count.