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blackjackstudent

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Jack Black,

The following is a very interesting website which states that the MIT blackjack team was not as successful as how the media and in particular Hollywood paints them to be:

http://www.examiner.com/x-18051-San-Francisco-Blackjack-Examiner~y2009m8d19-Las-Vegas-routs-MIT-blackjack-card-counters

They probably enjoyed short term success but the Hi-Lo system has a very poor playing effiency and is considered a level 1 count only. Nevertheless, I believe a high majority of the pros (70%) will use the Hi-Lo system. I have also seen Andy Bloch's DVD on Beating Blackjack and in the DVD he only uses a 1-4 spread in a shoe game which makes beating blackjack difficult for such a small spread in a shoe game.

I should also state if Bloch is so successful, why is he selling the DVDs?
 

RJT

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You seem to regard the MIT team as one team - that's an error to begin with.
The MIT team existed for a very long time in many different incarnations and many different groups. They did not all play together, from what i know there were periods of animosity between the various factions.
Some of the incarnations were profitable and some were not. The MIT team that i think you are thinking of is the SI group. As far as i'm aware this was not a profitable time - they initially made a large amount of money, but a lot of that was lost later when they tried applying more advanced strategies.
There are varying accounts as to why this particular group lost most of what they won - some say the check-out proceedures weren't tight enough, other say that the advanced strategies were too difficult to apply or too high variance.
The MIT team covered in BM's book and the recent heap of **** dumped at your local cinema was a smaller group that splintered off from SI and focused primarily on where they felt the money was made before - team counting. That particular group - having spoken to several of the members, seem to have been fairly profitable. I say fairly simply because they did earn a lot of money but they also had a lot of players, so i imagine that it was very profitable for the major players on that team and not so profitable for the rest.
I would also hasten to add that this is just what i've picked up through conversation with some of the players involved and some people who knew the players involved - and i may have filled in some blanks along the way. This is in no way statement of fact.
And have we not just had this MA rubbish only a few weeks ago? The only people complaining about this seem to be the ones that aren't playing seriously enough to be damaged.

RJT.
 

kewljason

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blackjackstudent said:
Jack Black,

The following is a very interesting website which states that the MIT blackjack team was not as successful as how the media and in particular Hollywood paints them to be:

http://www.examiner.com/x-18051-San-Francisco-Blackjack-Examiner~y2009m8d19-Las-Vegas-routs-MIT-blackjack-card-counters

They probably enjoyed short term success but the Hi-Lo system has a very poor playing effiency and is considered a level 1 count only. Nevertheless, I believe a high majority of the pros (70%) will use the Hi-Lo system. I have also seen Andy Bloch's DVD on Beating Blackjack and in the DVD he only uses a 1-4 spread in a shoe game which makes beating blackjack difficult for such a small spread in a shoe game.

I should also state if Bloch is so successful, why is he selling the DVDs?
This article is not credible as the author has an agenda of tearing down the Hi-lo count and promoting the ace ten count. He has even been banned from this site for repeated attempts to do so.

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=15250

It is my understanding that there were several factors involved in the downfall of that particular portion of the MIT team, the least of which was using the hi-lo count. Different versions of the MIT team as well as many other teams worldwide have been using hi-lo successfully for decades.
 
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