MIT Mike and Dave Irvine article

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mdlbj

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"Uh, let's just say I'm not from Vegas," one attendee said. Haha, that was me. I did appreciate the fact that the press there was respecting everyones anonymity.
 
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SystemsTrader

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mdlbj said:
"Uh, let's just say I'm not from Vegas," one attendee said. Haha, that was me. I did appreciate the fact that the press there was respecting everyones anonymity.
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mdlbj do you think any casino security might have sent a spy into the course? To find out what techniques they are teaching and who might be attending? Did any of the attendees take any group photos?
 
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If they did they, which i doubt, they would not have learned anything they do not already know. You can buy or read about most everything regarding AP. Even with the information provided, they will still be hard pressed to spot you. I think there is a big misconception being discussed about getting heat, being spotted etc. In Las Vegas, you really have to be making a killing before you will be looked at. There was one photographer taking pictures but she asked if she could take our picture before she did anything.

Ms. M, a former casino manager ( I pretty sure you know her Ken ) was there to discuss some of the things they are looking for. For example: If you are betting red at a strip casino with wild bet swings, your just a tourist.

There are millions of people visiting casinos and to pick out a dozen faces from them would be quite a task.

Some of the people there may have only played a few hands of blackjack in their lives, there were a few who were obviously skilled. The piece written by Jeff Haney spells out the demographic of the seminar. Jeff has skills of his own ;-)

I am doing a write-up of my own on the Seminar and it will be online shortly, I will let you all know.
 
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21forme

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mdlbj said:
I think there is a big misconception being discussed about getting heat, being spotted etc. In Las Vegas, you really have to be making a killing before you will be looked at.
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Please define killing.
 
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mdlbj- In your write up, please include details about what they taught. Did you feel the seminar was worth the money, or was it mostly stuff you already knew?
 
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Well its a little more than making 10s of thousands of dollars, they will watch your skill level as well; BS, if your bet is following the count etc. Yet, most pit bosses are not well versed on counting, a casino manager will be the one to make the decisions and it will be over time that they will watch you.

As stated by many experienced players, if you even think that you are being looked at, grab your chips and leave.
 
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jetace said:
mdlbj- In your write up, please include details about what they taught. Did you feel the seminar was worth the money, or was it mostly stuff you already knew?
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I can tell you right now, it was verbatim from the training material they sell. The training part, hands on stuff was mirroring how they trained the teams but at 1/10th the speed.


When they sat with the skilled players, it got very serious focused and showed why they are feared by the casinos. You can train all you want but to see how to do it right, it simply opens up your eyes and brings your skills to a whole new level.

As far as being worth the money, I would say, if I were a tournament player, I would pay Ken Smith to bring me up to speed without thinking about it. Being a counter, I want the best training available and I found it.

The stuff being taught, you can find online or in many books written about using HI-LO yet, they teach you how to put it together and to use that information to train and also to win. Their manual is worth every penny.

It was a humbling experience.
 
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