Must read from today's LVRJ (Link)
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when the earlier device was introduced...
by mikohn, named "safejack", that system had a similar feature. the shoe sensor read the "upc's" on the cards as they were dealt. that information was transmitted to surveillance, and to a screen at the pit stand. deck "counts" were shown and decks which were "out of line" were noticed to the pitstiff. if that information was only used to focus attention on a possible card counter, that is little different than the approved software applications now in use. another feature of the earlier system was to sense (embedded) checque denominations from sensors under the layout. this ostensibly was to audit checque changes, color-ups, buy-ins, and player wagers. a comparison of player wagers and "the count" was available.
the problem with the suit as i see it is to establish that the device is more than a tool to identify and reward "premium" players as stated by the casino licensees. even card counter identification isn't illegal. if there were to be somehow documented instances where the information vis a vis, "the count", caused an early shuffle. that would be an alteration of the randomness of the game, and therefore, illegal. that's a touchy area since i've been at tables where a 'stiff has casually scanned a layout of exposed cards and either ordered a shuffle, or told the dealer "one more round".
by mikohn, named "safejack", that system had a similar feature. the shoe sensor read the "upc's" on the cards as they were dealt. that information was transmitted to surveillance, and to a screen at the pit stand. deck "counts" were shown and decks which were "out of line" were noticed to the pitstiff. if that information was only used to focus attention on a possible card counter, that is little different than the approved software applications now in use. another feature of the earlier system was to sense (embedded) checque denominations from sensors under the layout. this ostensibly was to audit checque changes, color-ups, buy-ins, and player wagers. a comparison of player wagers and "the count" was available.
the problem with the suit as i see it is to establish that the device is more than a tool to identify and reward "premium" players as stated by the casino licensees. even card counter identification isn't illegal. if there were to be somehow documented instances where the information vis a vis, "the count", caused an early shuffle. that would be an alteration of the randomness of the game, and therefore, illegal. that's a touchy area since i've been at tables where a 'stiff has casually scanned a layout of exposed cards and either ordered a shuffle, or told the dealer "one more round".
suicyco maniac
Well-Known Member
Bout F'n time!!!!
Bob is one hell of a stand up guy from everything I have heard bout him. We should all thank him for standing up for players rights. SM
Bob is one hell of a stand up guy from everything I have heard bout him. We should all thank him for standing up for players rights. SM
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Especially if a shuffle card is used
When a shuffle card is visible to a player and they shuffle earlier, they have deceived a player into sitting down and placing a bet with the false pretense of using a shuffle card. Doesn't sound kosher to me.
When a shuffle card is visible to a player and they shuffle earlier, they have deceived a player into sitting down and placing a bet with the false pretense of using a shuffle card. Doesn't sound kosher to me.
suicyco maniac
Well-Known Member
cut card nonesense
I have seen a game that is set up just this way....DD cut card about 75% but they deal Rule of 7 so the game is way under 50% pen... yes RO7 in DD!!! The best part is they even have a little cheat sheet on the back of the table limit sign to help the dealers with the different # of rounds for the different number of hands being bet. Why they even have a cut card is beyond me. SM
I have seen a game that is set up just this way....DD cut card about 75% but they deal Rule of 7 so the game is way under 50% pen... yes RO7 in DD!!! The best part is they even have a little cheat sheet on the back of the table limit sign to help the dealers with the different # of rounds for the different number of hands being bet. Why they even have a cut card is beyond me. SM
Ohio Jones
New Member
Mindplay
was reading an article at caesars a couple days ago in some casino mag. about the mindplay system. of course this article was saying how good it was for the player by keeping track of each players average bet to reward comps. saw it in use at lv hilton a couple months ago but didn't totally understand what it was.
was reading an article at caesars a couple days ago in some casino mag. about the mindplay system. of course this article was saying how good it was for the player by keeping track of each players average bet to reward comps. saw it in use at lv hilton a couple months ago but didn't totally understand what it was.
Good for the player??? hah
The good for the player stuff is pure BS (not basic strategy), it is just the public relations spin to convince the public to play at these tables. The real purpose, in the area, of comps is to make sure that no one is getting MORE THAN THEY DESERVE. It kills the strategy of the comp hustler and some corporate beancounters think by doing this they will save the company a ton of money.
If they also shuffle early on positive counts it will also hurt the average player. In this case it is (my opinion) a cheating device. The absolute beauty of it is that the ploppy would have no idea they were cheating him because he does not know the count or even that he has an advantage in certain counts.
Finally, even if all users of Mindplay promise to never use the ability of the device to shuffle early, as long as that ability is there, someone somewhere will use it.
Victoria
The good for the player stuff is pure BS (not basic strategy), it is just the public relations spin to convince the public to play at these tables. The real purpose, in the area, of comps is to make sure that no one is getting MORE THAN THEY DESERVE. It kills the strategy of the comp hustler and some corporate beancounters think by doing this they will save the company a ton of money.
If they also shuffle early on positive counts it will also hurt the average player. In this case it is (my opinion) a cheating device. The absolute beauty of it is that the ploppy would have no idea they were cheating him because he does not know the count or even that he has an advantage in certain counts.
Finally, even if all users of Mindplay promise to never use the ability of the device to shuffle early, as long as that ability is there, someone somewhere will use it.
Victoria