Okay guys, I need to get everything outta my head and express it here since none of my friends gives a **** about card counting.
Since I have been unemployed for more than half a year already I decided to make the best use of my time and the unemployment benefits I'm receiving.
Somehow, blackjack crossed my mind and I took up an interest in it and did some research. I quickly became very excited and found a partner that shared the same interest. After the research, I decided for us to use the Hi/Lo card counting system with a bet spread of 1-5.
After a few days of practicing I was able to count down a deck of card at around 25 seconds and lower. I know that speed without accuracy defeats the whole purpose of counting. If you can't keep an accurate count then you shouldn't be in the business. I tried to keep an accurate count with good speed while playing games and watching t.v.. As I got better at counting I decided to ask my partner to come over so I can give him an overview of it. But before that, I wanted to motivate him by letting him watch the movie 21 first. Not that movtiviating i would say... I went on ahead and introduced him to the HI/LO count system, 2-6 = +1 , 10,J,Q,K,A= -1, 7-9= 0. As we began, he told me that it was easier to keep count, by adding all the "big pictures cards" then subtracting all the "small picture cards". I told him that it would be too confusing running around in circles on the table adding the big cards and repeating the same process with the small cards. Result? Not one time did he do an accurate count during the blackjack simulation. He couldn't even get the values correctly, his logic was that big cards are good for us right? So in his head he said it should be +1, and 2-6 cards which are bad for the players should be minus 1. I guess in his mind... good cards are positive and bad cards are negative. It really pissed me off, he couldn't count the way I want him to do it, he does the stupid big card and small card count and can't even get the value correctly. But anyway we decided to make our first trip to the casinos. I will be carding counting and using perfect BS, as for my partner he will use only be using BS. I wasn't even sure if it was a good idea for us to play together on the same table. He agreed that he will follow my bet once the true count gets good.
The first trip took place in earlier October,2009, about 3 days. We mostly sat on the same blackjack table, not sure if that was a good idea, I need feedback on this guys. To keep a long story short, our profit came out to be +1162. I pretty much made money on every session I sat in but 1 through out the trip. My partner made a lil here and there, but since he lost his whole buy-in a few times he is at loss. Considering he mostly broke-even and loses money. So what I am trying to say is that I was able pull a $1k+ profit on top of the losses that was sustained by my partner. I believe that my partner hindered our progress. How? Let me explain!
1. When we were up with a good amount of money, he never wants to leave when I ask him to, the count is done, the shoe restarted, but yet he wants to stay. So we end up staying and losing half of our profit every freaking session.
2. Let's just say he's $10-30 dollar away from breaking even and I colored in the profit already. I would have to sit there and watch him play catch up, risking more to win back the $10-30. Gotta keep in mind that he's not counting, he's playin basics and hoping to get lucky doing the min Bet. Of course, most of the time he would end up losing more and unable to to recover back the losses while playing his catch up games.
3. As we agreed that we will bet big when the count is good. He always bet half of my max bets. Even with card counting, we know that blackjack, and any other game is a game of luck, besides poker that is. For one of the session, the true count was a 5 after subtracting the offset, and it was towards the end of the shoe. We got unlucky and lost our hands, but the running count/true count just got higher and this calls for the same bet or a even bigger bet for the next hand. The next hand I kept it at max bet, my partner lowered it to the minimum. I'm like looking at him with steam coming outta my head like... WTF is he doing, are we like doing this together or what
Overall we came out ahead and I knew what I was doing. I'm sure i needed more practice and my partner agreed to take the time out to learn card counting.
Our 2nd trip would be for 4 days on early Nov. 2009, in which we just got back from it. Before we went, I was so excited and prepared to do a killing at the casino. Let me continue with my story. After the first trip, we had 1 month to prepare, improve my play and to get my partner up to speed, and to devise some strategy we can both use as a team. Oct, 6 we were back from the first trip, 2nd trip starts on the Nov 1st, just to give you guys a timeline. My partner told me that he would start going over the card counting stuff and the lessons in 2 weeks, which should land somewhere in mid OCT. We agreed to run blackjack simulations in my home so that we can figure stuff out. For some strange reason, he wanted to do everything 2 weeks later in mid OCT. When the time came, he briefly went over the stuff and told me he read up about the lessons. Partner said " i'll come out and do the blackjack simulation with you everyday on the last week till we hit the casino which should be OCT,26 - OCT 31st. As the 2nd trip drew closer and the blackjack practice drew even closer, without notice he told me that he will show up for 2 days only to do the simulation, because he was not up to speed with the card counting and would need to do more practice and reading at home by himself. By that time I knew he wasn't going to do any of it. Then my partner agreed to show up on OCT 28th & 29th. When those 2 days came, he then postponed to friday and sat. On thursday night he told me that we will either come out on friday or sat. Com'on guys no need to tell you what happened, he ended up not coming out at all for any of those days. The day came and we headed to the casino, our 2nd trip together. My partner still couldn't count, still only sticking with Basic Strategy. But somehow I convinced him to count anyway while he was there. Of course, only to follow my bets and not his own. 2 days into the trip on NOV,2, after one of the session, while walking back to the hotel I asked him what was the highest count towards the end of the shoe, He told me the running count was a 6, my running count was a 19. First of all he was so off, off by 13, and yeah... youguys might be thinking i could be wrong too but yeah, i figured out a way to keep my count and I am very confident with my count. I used whatever was on the table as a tool to keep my count. The tool acted like a calculator for me. How can he be so off with the count? So I'm thinking this guy can't count at all, did I find the wrong partner, and obviously he cant' count he didnt' even put any time/effort on it.
This is pissing me off and I really really really need feedbacks on this. When we were back to the hotel for a break, I took out a deck of cards and wanted to see how he counts. I passed out 6 hands (paired it up) and ran it like 3-4 times. For some reason he somehow got the count correct, but at the same time he tells me that he can do the count now but he can't count down a deck of cards (52cards). After running it 3-4 times with him, he now tells me that he can count cards. No effort, no practice, it was just that 3-4 run we did back into the hotel that somehow he believes made him understand on how to count. Not just knowing how to count, he said he's pretty accurate and confident enough for me to put a $500 bet on a hand, while trusting his count. Guys, seriously, do you believe he can count now, and should I waste any more freaking time with this guy. Now he's telling me, he can do it now, and he will prove it to me by coming out and doing a few shoe run and confirming the count with me. i told him that there's more than just counting to win money, counting should be the easiest part of it all. Then he defines the running count, true count, and how to calculate the betting, he defines it all for me. Man, you dont' need to define anything for me, anyone can google that **** and iterate it back out. What I want is a partner/team that can contribute to the success of the team. Unique Strategy never been created before, or known strategy that we can incorporate into ours. I'm getting none of that from him, nothing at all, no feedbacks on my play. nothing at all. All I'm getting is, "I noticed that you were losing and you were hopping around from tables to tables and occasionally betting big when the count was obivouslygood", like those type of garbarge feedback doesn't say ***.
My partner now tells me that he wants to go as early as next week. Oh yeah, on our 2nd trip, we lost a total of $1500. we both lost about $750+ each. I lost about $(30) in blackjack, I played the full 4 days, most of the other losses were in poker. It was so bad that we had no plans for blackjack, we resorted to poker. My partner's losses were all from blackjack. He's a decent poker player, the winnings he got from poker was just enough to offset the amount he lost earlier in poker.
So what you guys think? should I still do blackjack with him? i SAY HE CAN'T COUNT AT ALL, he tells me he can count and he will prove it to me. people take 6month to 1 year to master card counting and still might not be as good as they think. My partner after 3-4 hands of dealing, think he's good at it now. I need some feedback guys, is my partner a idiot? should i give up on him and just play blackjack myself? or do you guys recommend any training where I can test him and see if he actually know what he's doing.
please let me think about what you guys think about the whole story and my partner. I am very fustrated and pissed of about it, considering all that has happened and he tells me THAT HE CAN COUNT*
Thanks everyone, much appreciated!
Since I have been unemployed for more than half a year already I decided to make the best use of my time and the unemployment benefits I'm receiving.
Somehow, blackjack crossed my mind and I took up an interest in it and did some research. I quickly became very excited and found a partner that shared the same interest. After the research, I decided for us to use the Hi/Lo card counting system with a bet spread of 1-5.
After a few days of practicing I was able to count down a deck of card at around 25 seconds and lower. I know that speed without accuracy defeats the whole purpose of counting. If you can't keep an accurate count then you shouldn't be in the business. I tried to keep an accurate count with good speed while playing games and watching t.v.. As I got better at counting I decided to ask my partner to come over so I can give him an overview of it. But before that, I wanted to motivate him by letting him watch the movie 21 first. Not that movtiviating i would say... I went on ahead and introduced him to the HI/LO count system, 2-6 = +1 , 10,J,Q,K,A= -1, 7-9= 0. As we began, he told me that it was easier to keep count, by adding all the "big pictures cards" then subtracting all the "small picture cards". I told him that it would be too confusing running around in circles on the table adding the big cards and repeating the same process with the small cards. Result? Not one time did he do an accurate count during the blackjack simulation. He couldn't even get the values correctly, his logic was that big cards are good for us right? So in his head he said it should be +1, and 2-6 cards which are bad for the players should be minus 1. I guess in his mind... good cards are positive and bad cards are negative. It really pissed me off, he couldn't count the way I want him to do it, he does the stupid big card and small card count and can't even get the value correctly. But anyway we decided to make our first trip to the casinos. I will be carding counting and using perfect BS, as for my partner he will use only be using BS. I wasn't even sure if it was a good idea for us to play together on the same table. He agreed that he will follow my bet once the true count gets good.
The first trip took place in earlier October,2009, about 3 days. We mostly sat on the same blackjack table, not sure if that was a good idea, I need feedback on this guys. To keep a long story short, our profit came out to be +1162. I pretty much made money on every session I sat in but 1 through out the trip. My partner made a lil here and there, but since he lost his whole buy-in a few times he is at loss. Considering he mostly broke-even and loses money. So what I am trying to say is that I was able pull a $1k+ profit on top of the losses that was sustained by my partner. I believe that my partner hindered our progress. How? Let me explain!
1. When we were up with a good amount of money, he never wants to leave when I ask him to, the count is done, the shoe restarted, but yet he wants to stay. So we end up staying and losing half of our profit every freaking session.
2. Let's just say he's $10-30 dollar away from breaking even and I colored in the profit already. I would have to sit there and watch him play catch up, risking more to win back the $10-30. Gotta keep in mind that he's not counting, he's playin basics and hoping to get lucky doing the min Bet. Of course, most of the time he would end up losing more and unable to to recover back the losses while playing his catch up games.
3. As we agreed that we will bet big when the count is good. He always bet half of my max bets. Even with card counting, we know that blackjack, and any other game is a game of luck, besides poker that is. For one of the session, the true count was a 5 after subtracting the offset, and it was towards the end of the shoe. We got unlucky and lost our hands, but the running count/true count just got higher and this calls for the same bet or a even bigger bet for the next hand. The next hand I kept it at max bet, my partner lowered it to the minimum. I'm like looking at him with steam coming outta my head like... WTF is he doing, are we like doing this together or what
Overall we came out ahead and I knew what I was doing. I'm sure i needed more practice and my partner agreed to take the time out to learn card counting.
Our 2nd trip would be for 4 days on early Nov. 2009, in which we just got back from it. Before we went, I was so excited and prepared to do a killing at the casino. Let me continue with my story. After the first trip, we had 1 month to prepare, improve my play and to get my partner up to speed, and to devise some strategy we can both use as a team. Oct, 6 we were back from the first trip, 2nd trip starts on the Nov 1st, just to give you guys a timeline. My partner told me that he would start going over the card counting stuff and the lessons in 2 weeks, which should land somewhere in mid OCT. We agreed to run blackjack simulations in my home so that we can figure stuff out. For some strange reason, he wanted to do everything 2 weeks later in mid OCT. When the time came, he briefly went over the stuff and told me he read up about the lessons. Partner said " i'll come out and do the blackjack simulation with you everyday on the last week till we hit the casino which should be OCT,26 - OCT 31st. As the 2nd trip drew closer and the blackjack practice drew even closer, without notice he told me that he will show up for 2 days only to do the simulation, because he was not up to speed with the card counting and would need to do more practice and reading at home by himself. By that time I knew he wasn't going to do any of it. Then my partner agreed to show up on OCT 28th & 29th. When those 2 days came, he then postponed to friday and sat. On thursday night he told me that we will either come out on friday or sat. Com'on guys no need to tell you what happened, he ended up not coming out at all for any of those days. The day came and we headed to the casino, our 2nd trip together. My partner still couldn't count, still only sticking with Basic Strategy. But somehow I convinced him to count anyway while he was there. Of course, only to follow my bets and not his own. 2 days into the trip on NOV,2, after one of the session, while walking back to the hotel I asked him what was the highest count towards the end of the shoe, He told me the running count was a 6, my running count was a 19. First of all he was so off, off by 13, and yeah... youguys might be thinking i could be wrong too but yeah, i figured out a way to keep my count and I am very confident with my count. I used whatever was on the table as a tool to keep my count. The tool acted like a calculator for me. How can he be so off with the count? So I'm thinking this guy can't count at all, did I find the wrong partner, and obviously he cant' count he didnt' even put any time/effort on it.
This is pissing me off and I really really really need feedbacks on this. When we were back to the hotel for a break, I took out a deck of cards and wanted to see how he counts. I passed out 6 hands (paired it up) and ran it like 3-4 times. For some reason he somehow got the count correct, but at the same time he tells me that he can do the count now but he can't count down a deck of cards (52cards). After running it 3-4 times with him, he now tells me that he can count cards. No effort, no practice, it was just that 3-4 run we did back into the hotel that somehow he believes made him understand on how to count. Not just knowing how to count, he said he's pretty accurate and confident enough for me to put a $500 bet on a hand, while trusting his count. Guys, seriously, do you believe he can count now, and should I waste any more freaking time with this guy. Now he's telling me, he can do it now, and he will prove it to me by coming out and doing a few shoe run and confirming the count with me. i told him that there's more than just counting to win money, counting should be the easiest part of it all. Then he defines the running count, true count, and how to calculate the betting, he defines it all for me. Man, you dont' need to define anything for me, anyone can google that **** and iterate it back out. What I want is a partner/team that can contribute to the success of the team. Unique Strategy never been created before, or known strategy that we can incorporate into ours. I'm getting none of that from him, nothing at all, no feedbacks on my play. nothing at all. All I'm getting is, "I noticed that you were losing and you were hopping around from tables to tables and occasionally betting big when the count was obivouslygood", like those type of garbarge feedback doesn't say ***.
My partner now tells me that he wants to go as early as next week. Oh yeah, on our 2nd trip, we lost a total of $1500. we both lost about $750+ each. I lost about $(30) in blackjack, I played the full 4 days, most of the other losses were in poker. It was so bad that we had no plans for blackjack, we resorted to poker. My partner's losses were all from blackjack. He's a decent poker player, the winnings he got from poker was just enough to offset the amount he lost earlier in poker.
So what you guys think? should I still do blackjack with him? i SAY HE CAN'T COUNT AT ALL, he tells me he can count and he will prove it to me. people take 6month to 1 year to master card counting and still might not be as good as they think. My partner after 3-4 hands of dealing, think he's good at it now. I need some feedback guys, is my partner a idiot? should i give up on him and just play blackjack myself? or do you guys recommend any training where I can test him and see if he actually know what he's doing.
please let me think about what you guys think about the whole story and my partner. I am very fustrated and pissed of about it, considering all that has happened and he tells me THAT HE CAN COUNT*
Thanks everyone, much appreciated!
. well me and my friend we both play in the uk. We have doubled our BR so far! and we both don't have a job! But it is definitly getting his through and paying for everyday needs! 
