My play results

[blackchipjim]

I was at the casino for a short overnight trip this weekend. I arrived on fri and played for four hours at a 15min table. I bought in for 60 and after playing at this table for two and half hours was up 200. After a short dinner I went back to another 10min table and after playing with the dumbest people on this earth quit after losing 50. The next morning I toured the floor and played 15min tables with a total loss off 500 dollars. This is something that happens to all Aps and is expected as a neg flux. I know a 15min table is out of my limit which should be 10 min table. I read alot of fantastic results on this forum but normal is normal and results may vary with individuals. The point being that if a person plays long enough your results should and do eventually average out for a adavantage player. blackchipjim

 

[Kasi]

..played for four hours at a 15min table....played 15min tables with a total loss off 500 dollars. ...I know a 15min table is out of my limit which should be 10 min table.

So what led you to the conclusion that a $15 table is out of your limit?

 

[blackchipjim]

my table limits

I consider my bankroll and table conditions what my limts are. I take into consideration my spread and ror before I correlate my limts. blackchipjim

 

[Kasi]

I consider my bankroll and table conditions what my limts are. I take into consideration my spread and ror before I correlate my limts. blackchipjim

Well OK then lol.

So, the obvious question, or at least the one I was wondering about lol, knowing that, why play that game so much, or, indeed, even at all?

Did you bet differently playing the $10 min game than the $15 min game to keep ROR the same? Or were you willing to accept a higher ROR in the $15 min game?

No big deal - as long as you have a clear idea, maybe even a really clear idea, of what you're doing, no problem.

 

[blackchipjim]

minimums

Well Kasi I geuss my play is still in developement so to speak. The tables I play at and conditions change from time to time. I'm working my bankroll up slowly to reach a level of betting that reduces my ror. My spreads are sometimes suicidal and sometimes I overbet to maintain the level needed. Smart? no. I play as a hobby and need to refine alot of aspects of my game but that's another story. blackchipjim

 

[EasyRhino]

What's your max bet?

 

[NDN21]

Do you wong in or out?

Or do you always play no matter the count?

 

[Kasi]

The tables I play at and conditions change from time to time. I'm working my bankroll up slowly to reach a level of betting that reduces my ror.

That's good you're aware of such things.

Since conditions do change, take a range of expected conditions to figure how maybe to bet the same bankroll with the same ROR.

How do u bet what bankroll in what game with the $10 min and what do you consider your ROR to be?

Just be careful and try not to be too aggressive lol.

 

[jimpenn]

Patience Wonging

Wonging-in damn near impossible at your local casino. Especially if they have you rated knowing BS. A high percentage of these young dealers count today. They sit in high roller rooms playing against $500 a hand player's one on one. They enjoy a good game. It would take a good dealer two hours to determine if you were an AP. Only possible way...unhumanlike cover. In addition, I think the dealer's would admire you for it verses running home to tell on Bobby.

 

[blackchipjim]

my play

I will bare my soul on my game so be gentle. I play a 8d s17 doa with most pens going between 75 to 80 sometimes 85. My bankroll is about 2800 but I play replenishable to 5000. I have a one to five spread my high bet being 50 at a 10min table or one to ten on a five min table. I estimated my risk of ruin to be about 13% and this is only a estimate. If you can punch the numbers and tell me anything different to improve I would appreciate it. I also wong out on neg counts. blackchipjim

 

[Kasi]

If you can punch the numbers and tell me anything different to improve I would appreciate it. I also wong out on neg counts. blackchipjim

If I had a sim, maybe I could.

Since you don't, you can't lol.

Might be worth it to buy one - if not now maybe later if you really keep playing.

Anyway, they might want to know even more details like at what count do you bet how much and at what neg count you might wong-out. Do you find yourself playing only about half the time because of the wonging out?

 

[aslan]

I will bare my soul on my game so be gentle. I play a 8d s17 doa with most pens going between 75 to 80 sometimes 85. My bankroll is about 2800 but I play replenishable to 5000. I have a one to five spread my high bet being 50 at a 10min table or one to ten on a five min table. I estimated my risk of ruin to be about 13% and this is only a estimate. If you can punch the numbers and tell me anything different to improve I would appreciate it. I also wong out on neg counts. blackchipjim

Jim

I don't think you're going to get there using a 1 to 5 spread at a $10 min table. It's not enough to bring the advantage your way. But you play 1 to 10 at the $5 min table, so I assume you are trying to be more conservative at the $10 table due to the size of your bankroll. I can certainly appreciate that, however, why do it at the expense of your advantage? Maybe, you should stay at the $5 min tables until you build up your BR sufficiently to play higher. It would seem that you have sufficient BR ($5,000) to play $10 min with 1 to 10 spread, but I agree that your "session BR" may be too short if things really go south for you. I know it can be a harrowing experience to be spreading to $100 when you hit a vein of negative fluctuation on a short BR. So I guess I'm repeating myself in suggesting you stay at a level that you are more comfortable with. For one thing, you will play more confidently if you stay in your comfort zone. For another thing, you will enjoy your play more. What you won't enjoy is the fact that your BR is not building as fast as you may want. I am always contending with that aspect myself. Good luck to you.

 

[EasyRhino]

I think wonging in and out and avoiding the min bets as much as possible is the way to go. There's just not enough slack space in your bankroll right now to support that with a low risk of ruin.

 

[blackchipjim]

reply

I agree with all of the above but as a hobby and at a hobby level I have to live with it. I've had some neg flux because of my parameters in my game and I accept it for now. Eventually I will build a bankroll up to play right. Chritmas is coming maybe Santa will bring me some sim software. blackchipjim

 

[sagefr0g]

I will bare my soul on my game so be gentle. I play a 8d s17 doa with most pens going between 75 to 80 sometimes 85. My bankroll is about 2800 but I play replenishable to 5000. I have a one to five spread my high bet being 50 at a 10min table or one to ten on a five min table. I estimated my risk of ruin to be about 13% and this is only a estimate. If you can punch the numbers and tell me anything different to improve I would appreciate it. I also wong out on neg counts. blackchipjim

i set the sim for $2800 roll..... not $5000 .......
one to ten spread
it's got you at a seven player table, using hi/lo & I18
only betting one hand
play all no wonging
playing a five dollar table
set the sim at two scenerio's
one for optimal bankroll growth.....note the high ROR
one for optimal ROR but in that one unfortuantely you'd only be able to bet a one dollar unit.

 

[sagefr0g]

here i went in and fiddled with the custom bets..... note how the ROR rises....
remmember the original in this case only allowed for one dollar unit...... so i believe the custom would reflect bets in dollars if i'm understanding the sim correctly......... wish qfit was here.

 

[jimpenn]

Buiding Bankroll?

Blackchiphim...how do you continue to build bankroll playing a losing game?

 

[blackchipjim]

building a bankroll

I build the bankroll the old fashioned way I work for it. No seriously I add bi-weekly to the total and I do win at the tables. I have had set backs with big losses to me but I continue to hammer the tables. I have had pretty good sucess with my game but it does need a little tweeking I see. I thank you all for the sim work I didn't think it was that but I was using the charts in different books to estimate my ror. blackchipjim