need a percentage

[glovesetc]

on if a ploppy goes to a casino and play no basic strategy what edge is he giving up ? If a ploppy plays basic minimal strategy but not perfect what edge is he giving up . This is all based on an 8 deck game , DAS17, no surrender , DAS , and pen of 80 % or up ? This would be based on playing perfect strategy and not a card counter . Thanks in advance guys and just a round about percentage is good !!! :grin: :cool2:

 

[Sonny]

The house edge would be around 0.5% for that game. You can use the Basic Strategy Engine on this site to find the house edge for various rules/decks:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bjbse.php?numdecks=8+decks&soft17=s17&dbl=all&das=yes&surr=ns&peek=yes

-Sonny-

 

[glovesetc]

ok sonny would

the house percentage not change if they played basic minimal strategy or perfect or would it be infitsimal ? ty in advance
:grin:

 

[Sonny]

I don’t understand what you mean by “basic minimal strategy” and “perfect” strategy. Do you mean the difference between basic strategy and computer-perfect play?

-Sonny-

 

[glovesetc]

basic meaning

the ploppy knows to split 8's against all and aces and double down on 11 but has no clue on pairs or soft ace splits sonny . ty in advance
:grin: :cool2:

 

[Sonny]

Peter Griffin estimated that the average player has about a 2% disadvantage. I think that is true across the board regardless of how many decks or what rules the casino uses. In some cases, more restrictive rules (like no surrender) can actually help the players because they misplay it so often.

-Sonny-

 

[glovesetc]

ty sonny

you are the best buddy !!!! Slow today at the boring job or what ? You do get back quick for sure !!!!! :grin: :cool2:

 

[Sonny]

Slow today at the boring job or what ?

That’s for sure. But it’s nice to be back. I had a very busy weekend and it’s nice to be back at work where I can get some sleep. :sleep:

-Sonny-

 

[GeorgeD]

the ploppy knows to split 8's against all and aces and double down on 11 but has no clue on pairs or soft ace splits sonny . ty in advance
:grin: :cool2:

The strategy engine here shows a 6 deck, DAS, S17 game at .44 house edge. If you lose the soft doubles (in a double 10/11 only game) about .18 is added to the edge.

The rest I guess depends on how exactly what BS mistakes the ploppy makes, so it would e hard to figure. Probably the 2% quoted is a good guess, expecting that he sometimes doubles 10 vs 10 or 11 Vs A, he splits (or not) inappropriately, and probably doesn't always hit stiffs. A really bad player can give up to 7% to the house.

Try http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack you might be able to figure it there.

 

[glovesetc]

glad your week-end was good sonny

and it is good to know you can get some sleep at work buddy !!!! Rough week-end in the casinos - people do not realize it is a grind for sure !!!! :grin: :cool2:

 

[Cardcounter]

Disadvantage of the most foolish player I have seen!

I have seen players stay on Ace-6 or less double on Ace-9 split 10's and hit hard 17 and 18, I believe that those players are playing with a 10%-15% disadvantage and they wonder why they are losing so much compared to how much they get comped. The casino comps people as if they are playing with a 2% disadvantage even though many play with a 5% disadvantage. Optimal never bust stragedy gives the house a 4% advantage. These disadvantages are with a 3 to 2 payout on blackjack.