Need basic strategy differences for...

[Stealth Bomber]

6D, H17, RSA, No SR, DAS, DOA2 or more.

My concern on this would be the following hand situations:

9 v 3
A2 & A3 v 5 & 6
A4 v 4

It may be wrong to double in the above situations given there is the option to double even after receiving three or more cards.

 

[Ohio Jones]

No answer

Sounds like a Spanish 21 game except for the No SR and the 24 10's removed, which is obviously different BS. Just wondering if this is an actual game to be found or if you're just working on something?

 

[Stealth Bomber]

It's a real game

At least I think it's still available. Gonna try and play it soon if it's still going. Must travel a ways to get there.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Ah yes I know this game

It's still available, and also available in the store next door. Played it a couple of times. If you're an experienced shoe player and hesitant to try pitch it sounds really appealing but there are quite a few other games in neighboring towns that are much, much better. It's the only H17 shoe game I would play. By the way, make sure you have tire chains if you are driving to this game.

CVIndex doesn't allow for multiple card DD index generation so the only way I can think of to estimate them is to move the index numbers around manually, run sims and compare the win rates. The 9 DD's I wouldn't worry about because of the low probability of drawing a deuce, just make sure you are playing the 9 vs. 3 index for whatever you are using, that's a nice uncommon play to know. The soft DD's are a different story because if you catch a nice card you will probably still have a DD hand. And if you catch a stiff you'll probably wish you hadn't DD. I think playing it normal would be a good compromise. Or just do the win rate thing, see what happens.

 

[Stealth Bomber]

Didn't know it was available next door

I'll look for it in the neighboring stores. Will be there next week sometime. AM, do you live close?

There is plenty of good 1D and some decent 2D in the area. I'll be giving it a go too.

If I play the 6D double on any anything, I'll just make my decisions on the soft double options as if the count was -3TC lower than it really is. Still, that can't be exactly correct though. I have an idea the pen is too exciting.

 

[Stealth Bomber]

Misplaced my CV Data

Can't run any sims 'till I find where I put it when I recently moved. Or must buy new.

Still think it may be stupid to double soft 12, 13 & maybe even 14 regardless of the count. Maybe I should give those hands a chance first to build up to soft 18, then double it.

Any opinions?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Live 2500 miles away from it

But still, I make a couple of business trips to a large city a few hours away each year, and I've been getting out there a couple of days early to play. I'll be out there in January and again in February, and this year I'm going to be playing exclusively SD.

Yeah the same people own both stores that offer it. Problem is they don't have too many tables with it, pen is nothing to write home about but there's no heat.

 

[Dog Hand]

Answer, from Farmer's Program *LINK*

Stealth Bomber,

I used Farmer's basic strategy engine (available at the link below) to consider your question. I ran two cases: one with DA2, the other with D3+. Below are the strategy changes as well as the overall EV.

Hand DA2 D3+
A-4 vs. 4 D H
A-2 vs. 5 D H
A-2 vs. 6 D H
3-3 vs. 2 P H
Edge -0.548 -0.320

Your intuition was extremely accurate! The only play you missed was not splitting the 3's vs. a 2.

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

 

[Stealth Bomber]

Thanks for the help

 

[Sonny]

Tire chains?

> By the way, make sure you have tire chains if you are driving to this game.

I've seen this game offered at two casinos in the NV desert too. Now that I know the strategy adjustments I may have to check them out again!

Thanks Dog Hand.

-Sonny-