New Page: "The Best"
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Rob McGarvey
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3 of 8
I will call these wonderful guys "3 of 8" Not as hot as 7 of 9 is, but heck, they're just counters! Congratz dudes! You've been crowned by the Mayor!
I will call these wonderful guys "3 of 8" Not as hot as 7 of 9 is, but heck, they're just counters! Congratz dudes! You've been crowned by the Mayor!
learning to count
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I know I will get razzed for this but I would like to nominate the following:
"Of Splitting 10s and Flipping Coins
Posted By: zengrifter
Date: 1/13/03 12:04:42 p.m.
Of Splitting 10s and Flipping Coins
I'm an enthusiastic 10s-splitter, though I fancy that my 10s get split at a higher count typically than the strict Ev-based indices suggest, thus a bit more RA (risk-averse)... and as the #splits increases, my index rises higher into RA territory.
As ADM has suggested, I also establish myself early-on as a 10-splitter by splitting and re-splitting 10s incorrectly with small bets out, even against a 3 or a 7 perhaps - and, yes it is an excellent way to clear the table of excess players - and if I'm 'lucky enough' to 'cause' the loss of others' bets due to the split(s) I laugh without mercy at the other's loss and announce that "it will work better next time! Now, hurry up and deal some more 10s!" (the others get the message)
As some have heard me fond of saying, if a ploppy invades my table I will often immediately ask them in mock surveyesque fashion "would you play at the same table as some crazy yahoo who splits 10s?" More times than not they will passionately reply "NO!" to which I turn to the dealer and say "hurry up Sally, deal me some 10s!"
Notwithstanding the above, I m also fond of getting another player at the table to split their 10s - usually a wild redneck or one of 'the brothers' - I put up the other half ("partners") - in which case the index need only be BELOW what even doubling on 10 would be.
"Magic Coin"
Flipping coins at the table is an additional flourish that, if done adroitly, can add to one's 'cover' of various plays including 10-splitting.
A beautiful example of this application occurred last November when I was playing at a 2D table with my ploppy-driver - she was at the table w/me because I had two LVA 3-1 BJ coups to play - the count was sky-high and she got 10s. I signaled her to split 10s and immediately the shift-boss was camped-leaning over 1st base and I said "WAIT!" He said "she should do it!" I said "oh no, arrgghh, ok" - she splits and gets a 7 and a 10 - SB says "split'em again, I think you'll win!" I wanted to split BUT I hesitated for her and then said to her "lets flip a coin, heads we split again, ok?" - SB tells me to flip it on the felt "where we can all see it" (apparently he thought I might call it wrong on purpose) - Heads, we split again - another 10 "oh no!," again the SB tells her to split, we flip, heads, split and catch a 9 and an Ace - SB says "doubledown I think you'll win, flip the coin!" I put the coin away and borrowed a line from Robin Williams in Club Paradise - "I may be crazy but I'm not stupid" - we won and I thanked the SB for giving us the courage.
Flipping a coin at the table can be a good subterfuge - at the wide-area/coin-toss-zone, where it doesn't matter which way you decide hit/stand, etc., noticeably going with the coin in almost superstitious fashion, visibly, suggests that there is no strategy, strictly random-decision making. If the flips are working it becomes the "magic-coin" and I may flip it for others as well.
With a noticeably large bet out, I can call the pitcritter over and have him flip the coin for hit/stand/double, etc. - or, even for occasional bet-sizing where there's a close call - heads we let it ride, etc.
If the coin-toss is missing, I can announce that the coin is now (borrowing from Gen. Custer in 'Little Big Man') "a perfect reverse barometer" and do the opposite of what the coin says, thus confusing everybody.
More on "intuitive-process" decision-making when in the 'wide-area-zone' (WAZ) -
In one of the threads below, TH suggested that intuition in the WAZ should not be used unless one can demonstrate that its exceeding the results that would otherwise occur by random-guess... BUT I say that its ok to only achieve the random-guess result because it frees one from over-reliance on so-called "precise index#s - my logic being that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN EXACT INDEX LINE OF DEMARCATION ANYWAY!
So... when you are in the WAZ be guided by the FORCE (or the coin, perhaps).
zg"
I nominated this post because it is an excellent example of what this site is about: "Learning from each other and learning from the Sensei's of blackjack and card counter.com."
Zengrifters application of his "loony" style of play is exactly what we should be adding to our play..."FUN". Time after time I spot the profile card counter; cold, focussed, concentrated effort. Then you watch the bet spread up with the count and NO DONT SPLIT DOSE TENS BROTHA! This is what we need here more ideas more creativity. I like to clown around too. My goofyness has a determined objective, to win, and take thier minds off my successes.
ZG has not only showed us a technique but he added when, how and why he does split. Though unorthodox it works. Some times ZG gets above my altitude but all in all he teaches. Splitting tens is a big tell for the eye and the PC. This is a counter or a goofball ploppy. ZG one of these days I want to play with you and your liberterian independent streak. Your still a grouch though...Merry Christmas!!! LTC
"Of Splitting 10s and Flipping Coins
Posted By: zengrifter
Date: 1/13/03 12:04:42 p.m.
Of Splitting 10s and Flipping Coins
I'm an enthusiastic 10s-splitter, though I fancy that my 10s get split at a higher count typically than the strict Ev-based indices suggest, thus a bit more RA (risk-averse)... and as the #splits increases, my index rises higher into RA territory.
As ADM has suggested, I also establish myself early-on as a 10-splitter by splitting and re-splitting 10s incorrectly with small bets out, even against a 3 or a 7 perhaps - and, yes it is an excellent way to clear the table of excess players - and if I'm 'lucky enough' to 'cause' the loss of others' bets due to the split(s) I laugh without mercy at the other's loss and announce that "it will work better next time! Now, hurry up and deal some more 10s!" (the others get the message)
As some have heard me fond of saying, if a ploppy invades my table I will often immediately ask them in mock surveyesque fashion "would you play at the same table as some crazy yahoo who splits 10s?" More times than not they will passionately reply "NO!" to which I turn to the dealer and say "hurry up Sally, deal me some 10s!"
Notwithstanding the above, I m also fond of getting another player at the table to split their 10s - usually a wild redneck or one of 'the brothers' - I put up the other half ("partners") - in which case the index need only be BELOW what even doubling on 10 would be.
"Magic Coin"
Flipping coins at the table is an additional flourish that, if done adroitly, can add to one's 'cover' of various plays including 10-splitting.
A beautiful example of this application occurred last November when I was playing at a 2D table with my ploppy-driver - she was at the table w/me because I had two LVA 3-1 BJ coups to play - the count was sky-high and she got 10s. I signaled her to split 10s and immediately the shift-boss was camped-leaning over 1st base and I said "WAIT!" He said "she should do it!" I said "oh no, arrgghh, ok" - she splits and gets a 7 and a 10 - SB says "split'em again, I think you'll win!" I wanted to split BUT I hesitated for her and then said to her "lets flip a coin, heads we split again, ok?" - SB tells me to flip it on the felt "where we can all see it" (apparently he thought I might call it wrong on purpose) - Heads, we split again - another 10 "oh no!," again the SB tells her to split, we flip, heads, split and catch a 9 and an Ace - SB says "doubledown I think you'll win, flip the coin!" I put the coin away and borrowed a line from Robin Williams in Club Paradise - "I may be crazy but I'm not stupid" - we won and I thanked the SB for giving us the courage.
Flipping a coin at the table can be a good subterfuge - at the wide-area/coin-toss-zone, where it doesn't matter which way you decide hit/stand, etc., noticeably going with the coin in almost superstitious fashion, visibly, suggests that there is no strategy, strictly random-decision making. If the flips are working it becomes the "magic-coin" and I may flip it for others as well.
With a noticeably large bet out, I can call the pitcritter over and have him flip the coin for hit/stand/double, etc. - or, even for occasional bet-sizing where there's a close call - heads we let it ride, etc.
If the coin-toss is missing, I can announce that the coin is now (borrowing from Gen. Custer in 'Little Big Man') "a perfect reverse barometer" and do the opposite of what the coin says, thus confusing everybody.
More on "intuitive-process" decision-making when in the 'wide-area-zone' (WAZ) -
In one of the threads below, TH suggested that intuition in the WAZ should not be used unless one can demonstrate that its exceeding the results that would otherwise occur by random-guess... BUT I say that its ok to only achieve the random-guess result because it frees one from over-reliance on so-called "precise index#s - my logic being that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN EXACT INDEX LINE OF DEMARCATION ANYWAY!
So... when you are in the WAZ be guided by the FORCE (or the coin, perhaps).
zg"
I nominated this post because it is an excellent example of what this site is about: "Learning from each other and learning from the Sensei's of blackjack and card counter.com."
Zengrifters application of his "loony" style of play is exactly what we should be adding to our play..."FUN". Time after time I spot the profile card counter; cold, focussed, concentrated effort. Then you watch the bet spread up with the count and NO DONT SPLIT DOSE TENS BROTHA! This is what we need here more ideas more creativity. I like to clown around too. My goofyness has a determined objective, to win, and take thier minds off my successes.
ZG has not only showed us a technique but he added when, how and why he does split. Though unorthodox it works. Some times ZG gets above my altitude but all in all he teaches. Splitting tens is a big tell for the eye and the PC. This is a counter or a goofball ploppy. ZG one of these days I want to play with you and your liberterian independent streak. Your still a grouch though...Merry Christmas!!! LTC
zengrifter
Banned
gracias amigo!
I was hoping to get more challenges to this unconventional example! zg
I was hoping to get more challenges to this unconventional example! zg
learning to count
Well-Known Member
Re: gracias amigo!
De Nada Hombre de nada. Once I watched a counter play so cold and determined that even the dealer said "its so obvious". I saw the same counter six months later playing the extreme drunk and recklace gambler. This time the only thing that was said was "hey buddy you've had enough to drink". All the while he was stuffing green chips in his pocket. He even made $100 dollar cold cash plays and won and got away with it. Interesting approach but he was obnoxious.
De Nada Hombre de nada. Once I watched a counter play so cold and determined that even the dealer said "its so obvious". I saw the same counter six months later playing the extreme drunk and recklace gambler. This time the only thing that was said was "hey buddy you've had enough to drink". All the while he was stuffing green chips in his pocket. He even made $100 dollar cold cash plays and won and got away with it. Interesting approach but he was obnoxious.
Abraham de Moivre
Well-Known Member
Thank you very much!
I feel very honored for having my 'enemy' posts included in your selection.
I would also like to point out the post 'Re: Know the Enemy II', not because I want another post on your 'best' page, but because I also feel this post contains some good cover advice.
PS -- You going to be in Vegas over Superbowl Weekend?
I feel very honored for having my 'enemy' posts included in your selection.
I would also like to point out the post 'Re: Know the Enemy II', not because I want another post on your 'best' page, but because I also feel this post contains some good cover advice.
PS -- You going to be in Vegas over Superbowl Weekend?
Adam N. Subtractum
Well-Known Member
Thanks Mayor...
This is a great addition to the site, and I'm honored to have a post included.
ANS
This is a great addition to the site, and I'm honored to have a post included.
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