New System for you Voodoo Players!!!

[blackjacktilt]

I'VE GOT IT!!!!

We count the 2's-6's as a +1
We count the 10's-ACES as -1
We won't count the 7's-9's (so everything balances)
When the count is positive, that means there are big cards left and the advantage would be for the player (us).
When the count is negative, the advantage would be more in favor to the house.
I also found this basic strategy for blackjack and have learned that we do not need to follow the rules as the house does, so when the count is positive, the house must hit!!!
So we would raise our bets when the count is positive and bet minimum or walk away when the count went negative.
I'm sure there are alot of other things that may go along with this, BUT IT'S A START!!!
I'm going to go and try it, I'll let all of you know how it goes. :joker:

 

[pit15]

You should bet in a progression too.

True count of 1 or less: bet 1 unit
2 : bet 2 units
3: bet 4 units
4: bet 8 units
5 or higher: bet 16 units

You should martingale based on the true count.

 

[blackjacktilt]

you should bet in a progression too.

True count of 1 or less: Bet 1 unit
2 : Bet 2 units
3: Bet 4 units
4: Bet 8 units
5 or higher: Bet 16 units

you should martingale based on the true count.

for cover!!!!

 

[zengrifter]

You should bet in a progression too.

True count of 1 or less: bet 1 unit
2 : bet 2 units
3: bet 4 units
4: bet 8 units
5 or higher: bet 16 units

You should martingale based on the true count.

Yes. The only problem is escalating bets when you are wining - so we call it 'quasi' progression - you'll still need a lame excuse for parlaying the wins too.

I've called it a "double-flip" progression when I am forced to double my bets whether I win or lose.

I used that "double-flip" quasi progression in the 80s when depth-charging in deep 1-2Ds as well - raising bets whether the hand was won or lost and count neg or pos.

NOTE: Legitimate discussion of cover gambit betting with quasi-progressions does NOT belong in Voodoo. zg

 

[blackjacktilt]

NOTE: Legitimate discussion of cover gambit betting with quasi-progressions does NOT belong in Voodoo. zg[/QUOTE]



My apologies sir.....

 

[bjcardcounter]

I'VE GOT IT!!!!

We count the 2's-6's as a +1
We count the 10's-ACES as -1
We won't count the 7's-9's (so everything balances)
When the count is positive, that means there are big cards left and the advantage would be for the player (us).
When the count is negative, the advantage would be more in favor to the house.
I also found this basic strategy for blackjack and have learned that we do not need to follow the rules as the house does, so when the count is positive, the house must hit!!!
So we would raise our bets when the count is positive and bet minimum or walk away when the count went negative.
I'm sure there are alot of other things that may go along with this, BUT IT'S A START!!!
I'm going to go and try it, I'll let all of you know how it goes. :joker:

What is the name of this new system? Tried this yesterday, it worked well:cool2:

 

[zengrifter]

What is the name of this new system? Tried this yesterday, it worked well:cool2:

Its something that was once denounced as VOODOO by several reigning authorities (eg, John Scarne) in the 60s. zg

 

[bjcardcounter]

Looks like even counters are thinking a bit, otherwise they might have ravaged this thread in no time.

 

[gamblingghost]

Its something that was once denounced as VOODOO by several reigning authorities (eg, John Scarne) in the 60s. zg

I kinda liked Scarne. He was a card magician and a game inventor. He is the 'father' of Casino Bank Craps I think. Imagine, someone working for the casinos trying to dissuade people from counting! I think though, he may have actually believed counting didn't work.

 

[aslan]

NOTE: Legitimate discussion of cover gambit betting with quasi-progressions does NOT belong in Voodoo. zg

My apologies sir.....[/QUOTE]
No apology needed. I think you have started something good in the Voodoo section. If your "new" Voodoo strategy takes off, who knows where it will end up!

 

[aslan]

Its something that was once denounced as VOODOO by several reigning authorities (eg, John Scarne) in the 60s. zg

Quit knocking Voodoo!!! :flame: This is one of the best Voodoo strategies I have seen to date. It may revolutionize Voodoo altogether!!! :1st:

 

[aslan]

I kinda liked Scarne. He was a card magician and a game inventor. He is the 'father' of Casino Bank Craps I think. Imagine, someone working for the casinos trying to dissuade people from counting! I think though, he may have actually believed counting didn't work.

Unfortunately, he did not have an IBM computer at his disposal.

 

[zengrifter]

Quit knocking Voodoo!!! :flame: This is one of the best Voodoo strategies I have seen to date. It may revolutionize Voodoo altogether!!! :1st:

Yesterday's Voodoo is tomorrow's applied science. zg

 

[aslan]

Yesterday's Voodoo is tomorrow's applied science. zg

I asked Shirley MacLaine, who grew up on the next street from me, in Arlington, VA, to channel Scarne. He agrees.

 

[Bojack1]

I kinda liked Scarne. He was a card magician and a game inventor. He is the 'father' of Casino Bank Craps I think. Imagine, someone working for the casinos trying to dissuade people from counting! I think though, he may have actually believed counting didn't work.

You know what, for most players, counting does not work. The tiny edge counting gives is usually destroyed by recreational counters playing bad games with high risks and less than optimal skills. Not to mention so many will never play enough to ever realize the advantage they gain. Mathematically, counting is a winning strategy. Practically most who count will not be winners. This is a fact and has been proven by the miniscule percentage of counters who win at bj long term. It also has very little to do with how the games have changed over the years either. In the early 90's when the games were more counter friendly, you would still have counters with $2000 bankrolls betting $25 mins spreading like crazy, half ass counting, getting wiped out. Speaking just for me, if I was limited to being a recreational counter, I would not even step foot into a casino. I would get my recreation elsewhere. Not saying some can't pull off realizing the actual +ev, I hope alot here are doing just that, just saying most never will.

Just to make it clear, I don't condone any sort of progression system as a winner at all. I would play neither if I was limited in my time, funds, and skill. But then again, if everyone knew how limited they were, there would only be successful ap's.

 

[aslan]

You know what, for most players, counting does not work. The tiny edge counting gives is usually destroyed by recreational counters playing bad games with high risks and less than optimal skills. Not to mention so many will never play enough to ever realize the advantage they gain. Mathematically, counting is a winning strategy. Practically most who count will not be winners. This is a fact and has been proven by the miniscule percentage of counters who win at bj long term. It also has very little to do with how the games have changed over the years either. In the early 90's when the games were more counter friendly, you would still have counters with $2000 bankrolls betting $25 mins spreading like crazy, half ass counting, getting wiped out. Speaking just for me, if I was limited to being a recreational counter, I would not even step foot into a casino. I would get my recreation elsewhere. Not saying some can't pull off realizing the actual +ev, I hope alot here are doing just that, just saying most never will.

Just to make it clear, I don't condone any sort of progression system as a winner at all. I would play neither if I was limited in my time, funds, and skill. But then again, if everyone knew how limited they were, there would only be successful ap's.

I don't like the term "recreational," although I've used it myself. It may connote risking one's money for fun, or just dabbling in an otherwise serious pursuit. Maybe "hobbyist" is a better term, that is, serious and exacting, but by no means doing it for a living. A hobbyist can be just as passionate about his "work" as a professional--sometimes maybe even more so. Just a thought.

 

[zengrifter]

Maybe "hobbyist" is a better term, that is, serious and exacting, but by no means doing it for a living. A hobbyist can be just as passionate about his "work" as a professional--sometimes maybe even more so. Just a thought.

Yes, "advanced hobbyist" or AH. Much more accurate than 'POSER', for moi anyway. zg

 

[zengrifter]

you would still have counters with $2000 bankrolls betting $25 mins spreading like crazy, half ass counting, getting wiped out.

In the 70s, first I tapped a $3k bank spreading 25-2x150 using RPC at 1D, per Revere book... then...
I took lessons, upgraded to RAPM and tapped another $3k bank spreading 25-2x100 per Revere. z:flame:g

 

[aslan]

Yes, "advanced hobbyist" or AH. Much more accurate than 'POSER', for moi anyway. zg

Well,H suits me fine, and I'll grant you AH. Sounds right. Did I start the poser thing?

 

[zengrifter]

Well,H suits me fine, and I'll grant you AH. Sounds right.

"AH" hmmmm

Did I start the poser thing?

No, it was that ExCAA character with the pricey book. zg