no heat at california indian casinos?
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It only takes heat once...
I assume you are talking about the games along rt. 20, and others just north of Santa Rosa off Hwy 101. I surveyed those games last summer, and found one very good game (I hope that is the one you are playing at), but the rest sucked. It is a long drive home once you realize that the only game in town has been closed down to you.
--Mayor
I assume you are talking about the games along rt. 20, and others just north of Santa Rosa off Hwy 101. I surveyed those games last summer, and found one very good game (I hope that is the one you are playing at), but the rest sucked. It is a long drive home once you realize that the only game in town has been closed down to you.
--Mayor
Cal heat
The California Indian Casinos really can not be lumped together as a group. There are several that have better shoe games than the average game on the strip, others where the games are weak or worse.
Some of them are run by very experienced major casino trained managers and others are run by god only knows who.
Some have very experienced pit types and others have mainly dual rates who wish they were dealing that day.
Some are in very competitive areas and others are all by themselves with no other casino closer than three hours away.
Some are completely full with local players and others have fewer regulars.
Some are in affluent areas and others in poor areas.
All of this and more make an individual casino or an area with many casinos different than the casinos in other parts of the state, and an understanding of this can make certain opportunities apparant.
Most of these places are crowded and the players as a rule are bad. The house is making much more money than they had ever imagined just a few short years ago. The table is loaded with regulars who nearly always loose and along comes a player with a spread of $10-$100 who if he wins can not even begin to dent their profits.
The smart ones will let you play! They have no need to stop you and do not want any kind of embarrassing situation to disturb their money making machine even temporarily.
The average place probably will not even notice you unless you do something to point yourself out. Even if they do notice and decide to do something, they will tend to reduce penetration rather than confront.
The incompetitent places (they exist and advantages can be found in more areas than just counting) will have no clue unless you announce the fact to them and then they will bounce you.
That said; if you stick out you can get heat. I have only seen one backoff in a Cal Casino. A place where no one seems to bet more than $200-$300 but they have a $1,000 limit on their $25 table. In DD game, guy goes from two hands of $100 to two hands of $500 to two hands of $1,000, as count was rising. (I just sat down on his third hand as I was backcounting. Once his bet was pulled back the pit told the dealer to shuffle, a missed opportunity). Now probably they knew earlier that this guy was counting but I think his spread and aggression was above their tollerance level. Or it was possible that he was not even counting.
I think overall there is just more heat in Vegas because it is Vegas. They know every AP at some time will stop into town. They are always in competition with the casino next door. They always fear a team in town. Probably most importantly, the evaluation of a pit type, if they let an obvious counter get away with things, will not be good and could cost him his job. I think it might have been Bryce Carlson who said something to the effect that the pit really does not care if you compared to if you make them look bad. In other words, the pit is more worried over their job than worried about the casinos money.
Victoria
The California Indian Casinos really can not be lumped together as a group. There are several that have better shoe games than the average game on the strip, others where the games are weak or worse.
Some of them are run by very experienced major casino trained managers and others are run by god only knows who.
Some have very experienced pit types and others have mainly dual rates who wish they were dealing that day.
Some are in very competitive areas and others are all by themselves with no other casino closer than three hours away.
Some are completely full with local players and others have fewer regulars.
Some are in affluent areas and others in poor areas.
All of this and more make an individual casino or an area with many casinos different than the casinos in other parts of the state, and an understanding of this can make certain opportunities apparant.
Most of these places are crowded and the players as a rule are bad. The house is making much more money than they had ever imagined just a few short years ago. The table is loaded with regulars who nearly always loose and along comes a player with a spread of $10-$100 who if he wins can not even begin to dent their profits.
The smart ones will let you play! They have no need to stop you and do not want any kind of embarrassing situation to disturb their money making machine even temporarily.
The average place probably will not even notice you unless you do something to point yourself out. Even if they do notice and decide to do something, they will tend to reduce penetration rather than confront.
The incompetitent places (they exist and advantages can be found in more areas than just counting) will have no clue unless you announce the fact to them and then they will bounce you.
That said; if you stick out you can get heat. I have only seen one backoff in a Cal Casino. A place where no one seems to bet more than $200-$300 but they have a $1,000 limit on their $25 table. In DD game, guy goes from two hands of $100 to two hands of $500 to two hands of $1,000, as count was rising. (I just sat down on his third hand as I was backcounting. Once his bet was pulled back the pit told the dealer to shuffle, a missed opportunity). Now probably they knew earlier that this guy was counting but I think his spread and aggression was above their tollerance level. Or it was possible that he was not even counting.
I think overall there is just more heat in Vegas because it is Vegas. They know every AP at some time will stop into town. They are always in competition with the casino next door. They always fear a team in town. Probably most importantly, the evaluation of a pit type, if they let an obvious counter get away with things, will not be good and could cost him his job. I think it might have been Bryce Carlson who said something to the effect that the pit really does not care if you compared to if you make them look bad. In other words, the pit is more worried over their job than worried about the casinos money.
Victoria
Good advice ... and
This player was referring to casinos in NoCal -- not the San Diego, Palm Springs lot. My experience is that there is exactly ONE casino north of San Fran along the 101 corridor worth playing. If you only have one chance, it's worth being extra careful.
This player was referring to casinos in NoCal -- not the San Diego, Palm Springs lot. My experience is that there is exactly ONE casino north of San Fran along the 101 corridor worth playing. If you only have one chance, it's worth being extra careful.
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I'll be happy to share the good one via personal email:
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But let me tell you, it is the most difficult one to get to from where you live...
I'll be happy to share the good one via personal email:
[email protected]
But let me tell you, it is the most difficult one to get to from where you live...