Oklahoma BJ

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LA Man

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Heading to OK for a month -
Worth playing at any of the local OK casinos (heard they just put up tables with a small ante/collection - $1.00 on $100??) -

Any news on the quality of staff/surveillance/etc.

LAMan
 
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Cyrano

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If they're charging $1 for ever $100 bet, then you've already have a negative EV of 1%. It's a tough game to beat, but if the OK ante is anything like the Cal ante ($1 ante for bets UP TO $100), then it makes things worse. Even if you bet $10, you still need to post $1 (-10% EV). And you pay this on EVERY hand, doesn't matter if you win, lose, or tie. It's really quite bad. I wouldn't suggest it. I've studied the CA version of "No-Bust" BJ, and the rules were already bad enough, giving the bank an edge of over 1.5%. If your rules are similar to No Bust BJ, then I suggest you play as little as possible, and bank as much as possible, especially during high counts.
 
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Cyrano

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By the way, if you can "piggy-back" off someone else's ante (bet with them), at least you save on that $1. The best thing you can do is piggy-back off someone else's bank (if OK allows you to be banker)... by covering whatever money they leave uncovered. The worst thing you can do is bet the table minimum and still pay the $1. Hope this helps.
 
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LA Man

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Sorry to say OK has the 'player pool' version - not the bankers - didn't know whether the investment in a 'computer counter' would work to overcome the ante - no real heat there but the highest wager allowed $200 with a $1 ante .5% -

Many dealers 'weak' along with their floor staff - just thought it was worth a look - the counting isn't a real problem - all dealt face up -

Anyone have thoughts on playing multi hands (you can play up to 3 hands - table max) -??

LA Man
 
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The Mayor

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On the "ante" places

Check out their promotions. Sometimes they offer 2-1 BJ, or other great promos. That's where the money is.

--Mayor
 
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Cyrano

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Re: On the "ante" places

Maybe I'm living in the wrong place. Here in the Bay Area, the 2-1 BJ payout is for 2 Jokers (in 1-Joker per deck/8 decks), which happens like 1/80,000 times (lose $1 80,000 times to make the extra $100 wasn't worth it). It's like jackpot odds without the payout. Mayor, do you know where I can subscribe to get some of those promos?
 
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Cyrano

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It depends on how liberal the rules are and how deep they deal. -0.5% is certainly beatable, IF that's all you have to contend with. I'm sure there's other rules, such as having multi decks, that will lower that -EV even more. Spreading to 3 hands? Only if you have over $100,000 and you can bet $200/hand. If you don't bet the max $200/hand, the ante will lower the EV faster than any rules or number of decks. With the liberal rules and the 1-3 spread and a pretty chunky bankroll, you can beat it. But, why would you want to when you can just hop over to Louisiana and play there? Like I said, piggy-back. But, then you're at the mercy of the other player's decisions. BTW, if you're considering investing in a counting computer, I have a Casey I'm trying to unload. Personally, I don't think it's worth using a counting computer and I don't know what was in my head when I bought it.

--Cy
 
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