Opinions needed for a challenging mission

[Automatic Monkey]

Here's the deal. I'm traveling to a game in the next 30 days, and it has an obscure sidebet. (Sorry I can't identify it until I've been there and left.) With a special count, I can play this sidebet to a SCORE of 130 and a N0 of about 7000. Winning depends on two rather large payouts, but not so improbable I can't expect to hit them a couple of times in a night of play. I have a couple of days to play it. Math guys here will have some idea of the pay schedule, advantage and odds.

Now here's the problem. The payouts are going to be coming to me in increments of $1,250, all the way up to $25,000. (I'm going to keep the max possible pay at $7,500 to avoid CTR problems.) In LV this would not be a problem, but this is in a remote, backwoods Indian joint that doesn't even have black chips. Rough crowd too. My concern is that I'm going to have a low probability of getting out of there with my money on a big hit.

So what would be the best approach? Work them for one big hit and run like hell if/when I get it? Or work them slowly with a lot of $1,250 and $2,500 hits? Or ignore the risk of the casino reneging and play it for all it's worth, maybe even damn the CTR? SCORE of 130 is nice but it's nothing to get oneself in too much trouble over.

 

[rollem411]

I wouldn't ignore the fact that an Indian casino can refuse to pay you. Especially if it's a smaller casino and "no black chips"!!

Are you traveling with anyone? If so, you might be able to cash out little by little. An all cash out at once approach might bring trouble, but if someone is cashing out while you play than they cannot take back what they already have given you.

I would avoid a large cash out as much as possible. I take it you are not familiar with the casino and have no reason to trust them. Maybe a little research with the history of its transactions may go a long way. Have they gone smoothly or have people filed complaints in the past?

Also, you said you are debating whether to hit them once big, or a bunch of small hits. Do you mean sessions or individual payouts?

 

[InPlay]

Here's the deal. I'm traveling to a game in the next 30 days, and it has an obscure sidebet. (Sorry I can't identify it until I've been there and left.) With a special count, I can play this sidebet to a SCORE of 130 and a N0 of about 7000. Winning depends on two rather large payouts, but not so improbable I can't expect to hit them a couple of times in a night of play. I have a couple of days to play it. Math guys here will have some idea of the pay schedule, advantage and odds.

Now here's the problem. The payouts are going to be coming to me in increments of $1,250, all the way up to $25,000. (I'm going to keep the max possible pay at $7,500 to avoid CTR problems.) In LV this would not be a problem, but this is in a remote, backwoods Indian joint that doesn't even have black chips. Rough crowd too. My concern is that I'm going to have a low probability of getting out of there with my money on a big hit.

So what would be the best approach? Work them for one big hit and run like hell if/when I get it? Or work them slowly with a lot of $1,250 and $2,500 hits? Or ignore the risk of the casino reneging and play it for all it's worth, maybe even damn the CTR? SCORE of 130 is nice but it's nothing to get oneself in too much trouble over.

Bring a couple of goons with you. Wise Guy types. How about Shadroch if I remember he is supposed to be about 300 +.

 

[creeping panther]

Smart man

Here's the deal. I'm traveling to a game in the next 30 days, and it has an obscure sidebet. (Sorry I can't identify it until I've been there and left.) With a special count, I can play this sidebet to a SCORE of 130 and a N0 of about 7000. Winning depends on two rather large payouts, but not so improbable I can't expect to hit them a couple of times in a night of play. I have a couple of days to play it. Math guys here will have some idea of the pay schedule, advantage and odds.

Now here's the problem. The payouts are going to be coming to me in increments of $1,250, all the way up to $25,000. (I'm going to keep the max possible pay at $7,500 to avoid CTR problems.) In LV this would not be a problem, but this is in a remote, backwoods Indian joint that doesn't even have black chips. Rough crowd too. My concern is that I'm going to have a low probability of getting out of there with my money on a big hit.

So what would be the best approach? Work them for one big hit and run like hell if/when I get it? Or work them slowly with a lot of $1,250 and $2,500 hits? Or ignore the risk of the casino reneging and play it for all it's worth, maybe even damn the CTR? SCORE of 130 is nice but it's nothing to get oneself in too much trouble over.

You are! You already know the risks you will be taking. You should also know you will not be the first to be refused the cashing of the chips.

Do not use a fake ID or you may also lose your car.

Can you lose your life.......O yeah.

CP

 

[bj bob]

Play "their" game

Here are a couple of suggestions:
1) Bring Zg with you. He'll have every tribal elder absolutely Stoned on peyote and they won't even remember what hit 'em.
2) Take Easy along. Over the years he's developed fantastic Indian relation skills. I here also that he's fluent in Sioux, Apache, Chumash and Paiute as well as sign language and smoke signals.
3) Invite Aslan and have him disguised as a Jesuit missionary.
4) Do some research and see if you can pinpoint an amulet that has some sacred significance to that tribe, Wear it visibly and that might provide you a free pass for the trip.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

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4) Do some research and see if you can pinpoint an amulet that has some sacred significance to that tribe, Wear it visibly and that might provide you a free pass for the trip.

I believe the only symbol this tribe might consider sacred is this one:

But I get the point.

What I think I might do is look at what other action is on the sidebet when I'm there and make sure the size of my action doesn't stand out, because they can't afford to let the civilians think that they're not going to get paid on the same bet.

 

[bjcount]

Cash out often and if you have a larger cashin ask for payment by check. Reservation or not, if I'm not mistaken, it's still a federal crime to write a bad check. This way you will have some of their cash, and you will be spreading the risk by taking some in a check, it can be replaced if lost or STOLEN.

You can always sell the chips at the table to the other players buying in calling them "LUCKY WINNER CHIPS" :grin:

BJC

 

[InPlay]

Cash out often and if you have a larger cashin ask for payment by check. Reservation or not, if I'm not mistaken, it's still a federal crime to write a bad check. This way you will have some of their cash, and you will be spreading the risk by taking some in a check, it can be replaced if lost or STOLEN.

You can always sell the chips at the table to the other players buying in calling them "LUCKY WINNER CHIPS" :grin:

BJC

What do you do if you don't win and don't have any money or chips left ? Whats the exit strategy ?

 

[standard toaster]

What do you do if you don't win and don't have any money or chips left ? Whats the exit strategy ?

walk out the front door ready to come back another day?

 

[bjcount]

What do you do if you don't win and don't have any money or chips left ? Whats the exit strategy ?

Since AM's problem was taking the money and running, I didn't see a need for the Loser's strategy, but now that you asked...

Remember the poor drunks and bums that lived on the Bowery in Downtown NY during the 70's and 80's...

Act CRAZY like a fox while talking to yourself as you walk to your car. Then drive like hell.

BJC

 

[moo321]

Here's the deal. I'm traveling to a game in the next 30 days, and it has an obscure sidebet. (Sorry I can't identify it until I've been there and left.) With a special count, I can play this sidebet to a SCORE of 130 and a N0 of about 7000. Winning depends on two rather large payouts, but not so improbable I can't expect to hit them a couple of times in a night of play. I have a couple of days to play it. Math guys here will have some idea of the pay schedule, advantage and odds.

Now here's the problem. The payouts are going to be coming to me in increments of $1,250, all the way up to $25,000. (I'm going to keep the max possible pay at $7,500 to avoid CTR problems.) In LV this would not be a problem, but this is in a remote, backwoods Indian joint that doesn't even have black chips. Rough crowd too. My concern is that I'm going to have a low probability of getting out of there with my money on a big hit.

So what would be the best approach? Work them for one big hit and run like hell if/when I get it? Or work them slowly with a lot of $1,250 and $2,500 hits? Or ignore the risk of the casino reneging and play it for all it's worth, maybe even damn the CTR? SCORE of 130 is nice but it's nothing to get oneself in too much trouble over.

Ugh. I'd probably whore it to death, though. 130 SCORE is too good to be sheepish. Get in, play like a madman, and get the money.

 

[shadroch]

Bring a couple of goons with you. Wise Guy types. How about Shadroch if I remember he is supposed to be about 300 +.

Actually, its 350 plus, but thanks for the kind thoughts.

 

[EasyRhino]

My experience is with somewhat higher end native american cultural centers, but it sounds like even a $1250 cashout it going to be a big todo at this place. I mean... they'd pay it, but you'd probably get your photo hung on the winner's wall.

So I say hit em hard. Maybe keep it under $10k if you don't want a CTR, but that's the only constraint.

 

[InPlay]

Since AM's problem was taking the money and running, I didn't see a need for the Loser's strategy, but now that you asked...

Remember the poor drunks and bums that lived on the Bowery in Downtown NY during the 70's and 80's...

Act CRAZY like a fox while talking to yourself as you walk to your car. Then drive like hell.

BJC

Always be prepare for the unexpected. Sometimes it is not always if you win that gives you away it's how you play the game that will let the cat out of the bag.

 

[InPlay]

Here's the deal. I'm traveling to a game in the next 30 days, and it has an obscure sidebet. (Sorry I can't identify it until I've been there and left.) With a special count, I can play this sidebet to a SCORE of 130 and a N0 of about 7000. Winning depends on two rather large payouts, but not so improbable I can't expect to hit them a couple of times in a night of play. I have a couple of days to play it. Math guys here will have some idea of the pay schedule, advantage and odds.

Now here's the problem. The payouts are going to be coming to me in increments of $1,250, all the way up to $25,000. (I'm going to keep the max possible pay at $7,500 to avoid CTR problems.) In LV this would not be a problem, but this is in a remote, backwoods Indian joint that doesn't even have black chips. Rough crowd too. My concern is that I'm going to have a low probability of getting out of there with my money on a big hit.

So what would be the best approach? Work them for one big hit and run like hell if/when I get it? Or work them slowly with a lot of $1,250 and $2,500 hits? Or ignore the risk of the casino reneging and play it for all it's worth, maybe even damn the CTR? SCORE of 130 is nice but it's nothing to get oneself in too much trouble over.

You have a solution in your own words. This is from the other thread on female BJ players. Go for it !

You DRAG in? Now that gives me an idea!

One of these days on a rare visit to Las Vegas I'm going to stuff myself into a little black dress and go out to play. Spaghetti straps and hairy shoulders should clear out the table. But I'm going to save that for when I really need it, like a 2:1 blackjack promotion.

Only problem is in LV there are enough people getting their freak on that I could make a few friends I don't want!

 

[blackchipjim]

Time and distance

How exciting to even think of getting out of there in one piece. Not only are going to take them for a bundle but you have to wonder if you won't have an unfortunate accident somewhere off the reservation. I would do a time and distance study on how long it's going to take you to leave the area and get out with your all your body parts intact. This almost reminds me of old las vegas and how the mob takes care of wise guys. Let us know if you make it out alive automonk we will be waiting. blackchipjim

 

[moo321]

Oh yeah, and keep a gun in your car.

 

[johndoe]

How does the nonzero risk to your health, and getting the money out, impact the SCORE? How much is your safety worth? I personally wouldn't risk much for a couple thousand bucks, but that's me.

I'd say if at all possible, bring a friend or two along, big ones if possible - at least to walk you out. You've got a long chain of risks all along the way.

As for me, I usually bring my lawyer along when I play, much like Hunter S. Thompson.

 

[moo321]

How does the nonzero risk to your health, and getting the money out, impact the SCORE? How much is your safety worth? I personally wouldn't risk much for a couple thousand bucks, but that's me.

I'd say if at all possible, bring a friend or two along, big ones if possible - at least to walk you out. You've got a long chain of risks all along the way.

As for me, I usually bring my lawyer along when I play, much like Hunter S. Thompson.

I think most of the people are grossly overestimating any chances of an incident. Unless this is a real hole in the wall with 2 blackjack tables, he should be fine.

 

[InPlay]

I do bagman work on the side. Usually a 25% fee.