Outrageous! (Part 2)

Koz1984

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In a similar story to that posted recently by a member here, I watched with curiosity as I saw a television commercial for 'Casino Cheats'. It was scheduled to air on a program here in Australia called 'Today Tonight', which primarily features sensationalist tabloid journalistic efforts, aimed at scaring the masses of gullible and naive viewers who watch it. Those people being of low socio-economic capability and intelligence. It is of similar disposition to Fox news for you guys in the States.

So I begin watching and of course, along comes hidden CCTV footage of guys forcing open floats to steal chips, people surreptitiously swiping chips from handbags after meticulously drawing back the zips quietly so as not to draw attention. Then there was a new one I hadn't seen before, as Maxwell Smart would say, "The old double sided sticky tape on the over sized baccarat card to hover over over players' chips and steal from trick."

Then it came, and I'm sure you were all waiting for it. Card Counters. Yes, they decided to label good and decent folk such as ourselves 'cheats', although, at least it was implied given they aired us in the same story. Because they never actually did use the words 'thief' or 'cheat'. They discussed how the surveillance team at this particular casino, being Star City Sydney, were all trained counters and looked at betting variations to hunt down and slay anyone outsmarting their games. It really was a layman account of counting and the eye in the sky. Although, it did prove entertaining enough.

My father, knowing that I am involved with this, but had never really asked about it, then decided to ask me questions. So I spent around 30mins with him going over how it works and he was rather fascinated, but I lost him at index plays!
 

sagefr0g

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Koz1984 said:
In a similar story to that posted recently by a member here, I watched with curiosity as I saw a television commercial for 'Casino Cheats'. It was scheduled to air on a program here in Australia called 'Today Tonight', which primarily features sensationalist tabloid journalistic efforts, aimed at scaring the masses of gullible and naive viewers who watch it. Those people being of low socio-economic capability and intelligence. It is of similar disposition to Fox news for you guys in the States.

So I begin watching and of course, along comes hidden CCTV footage of guys forcing open floats to steal chips, people surreptitiously swiping chips from handbags after meticulously drawing back the zips quietly so as not to draw attention. Then there was a new one I hadn't seen before, as Maxwell Smart would say, "The old double sided sticky tape on the over sized baccarat card to hover over over players' chips and steal from trick."

Then it came, and I'm sure you were all waiting for it. Card Counters. Yes, they decided to label good and decent folk such as ourselves 'cheats', although, at least it was implied given they aired us in the same story. Because they never actually did use the words 'thief' or 'cheat'. They discussed how the surveillance team at this particular casino, being Star City Sydney, were all trained counters and looked at betting variations to hunt down and slay anyone outsmarting their games. It really was a layman account of counting and the eye in the sky. Although, it did prove entertaining enough.

My father, knowing that I am involved with this, but had never really asked about it, then decided to ask me questions. So I spent around 30mins with him going over how it works and he was rather fascinated, but I lost him at index plays!
yup, a few days ago i watched a series of programs on the travel channel hyping all kinds of stuff about Vegas. one portion of the program was all about various kinds of cheating and how the casinos deal with it. then right in the midst of all the cheating footage of past posting, card bending, card smudging, chip stealing and purse snatching the narrator mentions that casinos consider card counters as not playing fair so they exercise their right to throw anyone out of their establishment for what ever reason on card counters. just lumped the card counters right in there with the cheats is how it was presented.
go figure.:flame:
 

Machinist

Well-Known Member
So you were watching

Koz1984 said:
In a similar story to that posted recently by a member here, I watched with curiosity as I saw a television commercial for 'Casino Cheats'. It was scheduled to air on a program here in Australia called 'Today Tonight', which primarily features sensationalist tabloid journalistic efforts, aimed at scaring the masses of gullible and naive viewers who watch it. Those people being of low socio-economic capability and intelligence. It is of similar disposition to Fox news for you guys in the States.

So I begin watching and of course, along comes hidden CCTV footage of guys forcing open floats to steal chips, people surreptitiously swiping chips from handbags after meticulously drawing back the zips quietly so as not to draw attention. Then there was a new one I hadn't seen before, as Maxwell Smart would say, "The old double sided sticky tape on the over sized baccarat card to hover over over players' chips and steal from trick."

Then it came, and I'm sure you were all waiting for it. Card Counters. Yes, they decided to label good and decent folk such as ourselves 'cheats', although, at least it was implied given they aired us in the same story. Because they never actually did use the words 'thief' or 'cheat'. They discussed how the surveillance team at this particular casino, being Star City Sydney, were all trained counters and looked at betting variations to hunt down and slay anyone outsmarting their games. It really was a layman account of counting and the eye in the sky. Although, it did prove entertaining enough.

My father, knowing that I am involved with this, but had never really asked about it, then decided to ask me questions. So I spent around 30mins with him going over how it works and he was rather fascinated, but I lost him at index plays!
I'm confused.. So you are saying you are of the low social-economic group of human beings, because you obviously watched this show???
Why would you watch such stuff..Why would you report on watching such stuff.??
You must be a Jerry Springer fan also then?
Maybe i am confused because of the Fox News comment? You must watch that network also to make such an assessment. Or maybe the comment is made from the ingnorance of not watching the Fox News channel and another side to the story....
Don't you guys have your own tv news to watch.....
Or maybe i'm the ignorant and uniformed trailer trash, that watches fox news...??

Now to get serious .......how did you come to such a conclusion of the fox news network??? watching it or watching the people that bash them..or stuff you read? Just wondering as you live a long way away.:confused::confused:

Machinist
 

21gunsalute

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Koz1984 said:
In a similar story to that posted recently by a member here, I watched with curiosity as I saw a television commercial for 'Casino Cheats'. It was scheduled to air on a program here in Australia called 'Today Tonight', which primarily features sensationalist tabloid journalistic efforts, aimed at scaring the masses of gullible and naive viewers who watch it. Those people being of low socio-economic capability and intelligence. It is of similar disposition to Fox news for you guys in the States.
Could you possibly state something that is more offensive, stereotypical and just plain wrong? :rolleyes: I don't think so.
 

StudiodeKadent

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Today Tonight did leave themselves open to a defamation case.

Card Counting, whilst I personally do not practice it, is not cheating.

And anyway, it isn't easy to get countable games in Australia so I don't see why TT are screaming about it.

I would disagree with calling Today Tonight "similar to the Fox network." Fox has some level of conservative (in the American sense) bias, which to an extent (not consistently) means it will be favorable to free market economics. Today Tonight, on the other hand, loves running stories about evil bankers raising interest rates and poor Australians sobbing "WE CAN'T PAY OUR HOME LOAN!!!"

Damn the macroeconomic subtleties, says Today Tonight, if we don't have the RBA set low interest rates, then there's "too much greed." This is an example where Today Tonight's economic bias is anti-free-market, the opposite of Fox's (inconsistent) bias.

Qualification: Fox's pro-market bias is inconsistent because they're party hacks that will praise anything done by Republicans and damn anything done by Democrats. They'd probably damn Jimmy Carter's deregulation of the airlines (a very pro-market move which President Carter should be applauded for).

Additional qualification: Fox being Republican hacks does not imply that MSNBC or CNN aren't just as bad; they're clearly Democratic hacks.
 

shadroch

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:devil:[QUOTE=Koz1984;203642 I watched ... a program here in Australia called 'Today Tonight', aimed at scaring the masses of gullible and naive viewers who watch it. Those people being of low socio-economic capability and intelligence.

So I begin watching.....of course....:cool2:
 

bjcardcounter

Well-Known Member
sagefr0g said:
yup, a few days ago i watched a series of programs on the travel channel hyping all kinds of stuff about Vegas. one portion of the program was all about various kinds of cheating and how the casinos deal with it. then right in the midst of all the cheating footage of past posting, card bending, card smudging, chip stealing and purse snatching the narrator mentions that casinos consider card counters as not playing fair so they exercise their right to throw anyone out of their establishment for what ever reason on card counters. just lumped the card counters right in there with the cheats is how it was presented.
go figure.:flame:
Saturday! I saw it too. Did you look at the high roller who bought in for 250K and started 3 hands of 15K each and lost all of them ;)
 

BigEd

New Member
I too found the remarks about Fox way off base and upsetting, but then thought that seeing as how it came from a land originally populated by convicts . . . .WELL!

Ed, USN (Ret)
 

Koz1984

Well-Known Member
This is aimed at StudiodeKadent...

I agree with what you say about Australia. My main store is Crown, particularly their VIP shoe games. I would think Tasmania is the only other viable option. What is really funny is that this was filmed at Sydney's Star City, where, as far as I knew, was ALL CSM based. So why the sweat from them?

Secondly, may I ask, If you do not count, what is your interest in such a site? Do you merely enjoy the game of BJ?

Thank you.
 

StudiodeKadent

Well-Known Member
Koz1984 said:
This is aimed at StudiodeKadent...

I agree with what you say about Australia. My main store is Crown, particularly their VIP shoe games. I would think Tasmania is the only other viable option. What is really funny is that this was filmed at Sydney's Star City, where, as far as I knew, was ALL CSM based. So why the sweat from them?
Their high limit room is allegedly shoe-dealt.

Secondly, may I ask, If you do not count, what is your interest in such a site? Do you merely enjoy the game of BJ?

Thank you.
Indeed. I am a basic strategy/comp hustler player and I simply enjoy the game of blackjack. I consider the modest house advantage of a good game to be a reasonable price for the entertainment. Of course, I play slow and the like, in order to get my money's worth.
 

StudiodeKadent

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shadroch said:
Faux News is quite entertaining, but 24 hours of satire gets to be a bit much.
With all due respect, MSNBC isn't much better in that regard.

[disclosure: I'm a libertarian and I have as much hate for the right as I do for the left]
 

21gunsalute

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StudiodeKadent said:
Additional qualification: Fox being Republican hacks does not imply that MSNBC or CNN aren't just as bad; they're clearly Democratic hacks.
I've come to believe that CNN actually stands for the Communist News Network.
 

StudiodeKadent

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21gunsalute said:
I've come to believe that CNN actually stands for the Communist News Network.
I wouldn't call them Communist per se. Ted Turner clearly has far too much hate for heavy industry to be a Marxist (if you want proof, he's the guy that bankrolled "Captain Planet And The Planeteers"). But perhaps I'm taking your reply too seriously.

If you think CNN is bad, try The Guardian (UK Newspaper). Its "I Can't Believe Its Not Pravda."
 
Machinist said:
I'm confused.. So you are saying you are of the low social-economic group of human beings, because you obviously watched this show???
Why would you watch such stuff..Why would you report on watching such stuff.??
You must be a Jerry Springer fan also then?
Maybe i am confused because of the Fox News comment? You must watch that network also to make such an assessment. Or maybe the comment is made from the ingnorance of not watching the Fox News channel and another side to the story....
Don't you guys have your own tv news to watch.....
Or maybe i'm the ignorant and uniformed trailer trash, that watches fox news...??

Now to get serious .......how did you come to such a conclusion of the fox news network??? watching it or watching the people that bash them..or stuff you read? Just wondering as you live a long way away.:confused::confused:

Machinist
Yeah, I'm sure the low-class, low intelligence crowd really get a kick out of watching Paul Gigot and the Wall Street Journal staff at their roundtable. :rolleyes:

If Fox did a show about card counting, they wouldn't tell us "Card counters are cheats." They'd ask "Are card counters cheats?" and they'd put a masked AP and a casino surveillance manager up there with O'Reilly, who wouldn't let the surveillance guy off the hook until he explained exactly why he thought using your brain can make you a cheat.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
StudiodeKadent said:
With all due respect, MSNBC isn't much better in that regard.

[disclosure: I'm a libertarian and I have as much hate for the right as I do for the left]
The only show I ever watch on MSNBC would be Keith Oberman, and it's mostly to see if his pants are catching on fire. He can be entertaining at times. Gawd help us if anyone truly thinks either of these channels is giving us the truth.
 

Billy C1

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A question

Even the major networks have biases. NBC owns MSNBC so you can figure that one out. Who can forget Dan RatherNot! Not much of the print media is without bias either. I live in a town of 1400 people and our little "weekly" is unabashedly partisan.
My question would be------why does 80% (my guess) of the media lean to the left?
The right has more presence in talk radio (Rush) but remember Al Franken and others have tried to "balance" that.

BillyC1
 
Billy C1 said:
Even the major networks have biases. NBC owns MSNBC so you can figure that one out. Who can forget Dan RatherNot! Not much of the print media is without bias either. I live in a town of 1400 people and our little "weekly" is unabashedly partisan.
My question would be------why does 80% (my guess) of the media lean to the left?
The right has more presence in talk radio (Rush) but remember Al Franken and others have tried to "balance" that.

BillyC1
It all happens in J-school, where they teach you that promoting "social justice," as your professors have defined it, to be the goal of journalism. All the talk radio and most of the Fox News people have a background from somewhere other than J-school, so their perspective is a lot more representative of the real world.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
Billy C1 said:
Even the major networks have biases. NBC owns MSNBC so you can figure that one out. Who can forget Dan RatherNot! Not much of the print media is without bias either. I live in a town of 1400 people and our little "weekly" is unabashedly partisan.
My question would be------why does 80% (my guess) of the media lean to the left?
The right has more presence in talk radio (Rush) but remember Al Franken and others have tried to "balance" that.

BillyC1
Actually,NBC doesn't own MSNBC. They are both owned by General Electric which is owned by the DuPont branch of the Rothschild family.
 
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