Pay attention...

[winnawinna]

What I mean is pay attention to how the cards are coming out during each show. I dont ST but I can now notice when the count will increase and if the dealer has a low card under his 10 card. Very often when I get a shoe where the count skyrockets, it will be repeated in the next few shoes as well. This is because the dealer has a poor shuffle and the low cards tend to "bunch together" and remain that way. Very often I will hit those 13s against a dealer 5or 12 against a dealer stiff just because I remember those same low cards from the previous shoe. It doesnt always work, as nothing does, but it gives more confidence to hit s stiff and pisses ploppies off.

 

[Gamblor]

Off to the vodoo board!

Not the craziest notion ever. Could be possible playing thousands of hours on end, your brain might subconsciously pick up on and integrate patterns of cards, especially playing the same shuffle (either human or machine).

I had 13 v 6. I "accidentally" gave a hit signal and immediately waved it off. Dealer quickly gave me a card. Guess what, I get an 8. Seems to me that whenever I do this, its usually a card that benefits me. Funny, the dealer even mentioned the same thing, that whenever someone does this, it always is a good card for the player

 

[winnawinna]

Off to the vodoo board!

Not the craziest notion ever. Could be possible playing thousands of hours on end, your brain might subconsciously pick up on and integrate patterns of cards, especially playing the same shuffle (either human or machine).

I had 13 v 6. I "accidentally" gave a hit signal and immediately waved it off. Dealer quickly gave me a card. Guess what, I get an 8. Seems to me that whenever I do this, its usually a card that benefits me. Funny, the dealer even mentioned the same thing, that whenever someone does this, it always is a good card for the player

I wouldnt call it voodoo just part of APing. You cant just only count cards. Paying attention to how they come out is imp. Especially if the dealer doesnt mix them well and clumps them together on the shuffle

 

[Nynefingers]

Unless you know specifically *why* they will come out in a certain way, meaning you've analyzed the shuffle and are actively tracking this game, then this is voodoo.

 

[Sucker]

The sad thing is; there have been BOOKS written about this nonsense.

But then again - Elvis, John Lennon; and JFK have recently been spotted living together on a remote desert island in the South Pacific. And their houseboy looked a lot like Michael Jackson.

 

[aslan]

Ken. We need to have a voodoo pen. Like the gong show, if the audience (forum members) vote loud enough, and the moderator(s) agree, then the person is confined to the voodoo pen where he can log in, he can read, but he cannot write to that particular thread (or all threads?) for a particular length of time. Now, I am not saying the present OP is in voodoo land, but the idea that he might be, fomented this thought. Heck! With some of the responses I have gotten to remarks of mine, I might be spending a good deal of time in the pen myself. However, in my case I think it's mainly because I am misunderstood. :whip::laugh:

 

[winnawinna]

Ken. We need to have a voodoo pen. Like the gong show, if the audience (forum members) vote loud enough, and the moderator(s) agree, then the person is confined to the voodoo pen where he can log in, he can read, but he cannot write to that particular thread (or all threads?) for a particular length of time. Now, I am not saying the present OP is in voodoo land, but the idea that he might be, fomented this thought. Heck! With some of the responses I have gotten to remarks of mine, I might be spending a good deal of time in the pen myself. However, in my case I think it's mainly because I am misunderstood. :whip::laugh:

Its definitely not voodoo. How many times have you split 8s like 4 times. Then you get 4 queens or picture cards on top of each one. Well u know what...when the next shoe starts, those cards will be clumped together. I guess its a form of shuffle observing.

 

[aslan]

Its definitely not voodoo. How many times have you split 8s like 4 times. Then you get 4 queens or picture cards on top of each one. Well u know what...when the next shoe starts, those cards will be clumped together. I guess its a form of shuffle observing.

That is certainly true. If you memorized a couple of key cards preceding those queens and eights, we would call it key carding.

 

[winnawinna]

That is certainly true. If you memorized a couple of key cards preceding those queens and eights, we would call it key carding.

Aslan thanks for clarifying what its called. Thats what I meant. I dont think its voodoo. Seriously, if you get 20 low cards clumped together where you have like 6-10 2s,3s etc, you can identify this grouping in the next shoe. You can also be certain that if your previous shoe turned well into +TCs, then the next few have a good chance as well. On the contrary, the next shoe may have that "clump" of low cards on the back end and all 'x" cards come out up front, plunging the count early on.

 

[Sucker]

It's voodoo the way YOU'RE presenting it. And trying to pass it off as some sort of sage advice???? If you REALLY understood sequencing you would understand that; although you have the basic THEORY correct, when it comes to the IMPLEMENTATION, you're WAY out in left field.

All you've accomplished by this is to demonstrate the old axiom "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing". :whip:

 

[winnawinna]

It's voodoo the way YOU'RE presenting it. And trying to pass it off as some sort of sage advice???? If you REALLY understood sequencing you would understand that; although you have the basic THEORY correct, when it comes to the IMPLEMENTATION, you're WAY out in left field.

All you've accomplished by this is to demonstrate the old axiom "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing". :whip:

i never looked into sequencing. I just like making money one way or the other.

 

[aslan]

Aslan thanks for clarifying what its called. Thats what I meant. I dont think its voodoo. Seriously, if you get 20 low cards clumped together where you have like 6-10 2s,3s etc, you can identify this grouping in the next shoe. You can also be certain that if your previous shoe turned well into +TCs, then the next few have a good chance as well. On the contrary, the next shoe may have that "clump" of low cards on the back end and all 'x" cards come out up front, plunging the count early on.

Until you see that clump of cards begin to fall, you can have no idea what kind of shoe it's going to be. Another problem is that key carding is usually used to track aces, because if you know an ace or aces are coming in the next round, you can adjust your bet, and even number of hands, accordingly. But with clumps of cards, there is usually a few cards between each that were in the clump, so where there was once ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, there may now be ten, several randon cards, ten, several random cards, ten, several random cards, and so forth, so it's really doubtful what good use you can put this knowledge to, unless as you say, there was a very poor shuffle and the separation between tens is minimal or non existent in some cases.

Tracking the point value of a clump of cards is another case, but from what you said, you were not intent on tracking the clumps position in the shoe for purposes of altering your count.

 

[winnawinna]

Until you see that clump of cards begin to fall, you can have no idea what kind of shoe it's going to be. Another problem is that key carding is usually used to track aces, because if you know an ace or aces are coming in the next round, you can adjust your bet, and even number of hands, accordingly. But with clumps of cards, there is usually a few cards between each that were in the clump, so where there was once ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, there may now be ten, several randon cards, ten, several random cards, ten, several random cards, and so forth, so it's really doubtful what good use you can put this knowledge to, unless as you say, there was a very poor shuffle and the separation between tens is minimal or non existent in some cases.

I agree with that

 

[tthree]

You really shouldn't be altering your bet size or play based on a hunch. You will give to much back. Counting has a razor thin advantage. You really can't give any of it back unless there is a valid reason that actually translates into money. Cover play if truly necessary can buy you more time at a game that is worth it. That makes you more money over playing a crappy game or investment in time or money to go to a farther game. If you have a convenient location with a great game you need to protect your access. Making a big score but losing access to a convenient great game can be very costly to a low limit player. Others with huge bankrolls can forgo many important considerations to a lower limit player. Often to them travel is insignificant or a part of their longevity plan.

 

[winnawinna]

You really shouldn't be altering your bet size or play based on a hunch. You will give to much back. Counting has a razor thin advantage. You really can't give any of it back unless there is a valid reason that actually translates into money. Cover play if truly necessary can buy you more time at a game that is worth it. That makes you more money over playing a crappy game or investment in time or money to go to a farther game. If you have a convenient location with a great game you need to protect your access. Making a big score but losing access to a convenient great game can be very costly to a low limit player. Others with huge bankrolls can forgo many important considerations to a lower limit player. Often to them travel is insignificant or a part of their longevity plan.

Three...I dont ever play hunches. I am a solid level 1 count AP player with a success rate into the 5 figures this year alone. I prolly didnt explain my point of my post the right way

 

[Gamblor]

Three...I dont ever play hunches. I am a solid level 1 count AP player with a success rate into the 5 figures this year alone. I prolly didnt explain my point of my post the right way

I play hunches On coin flip decisions. It can't hurt, and if I'm right, it can only help :grin:

 

[aslan]

I play hunches On coin flip decisions. It can't hurt, and if I'm right, it can only help :grin:

Double headed coins work far better than hunches, but have attendant risks. Hunches provide longevity and seldom create life threatening situations. And as you say, here is one place the gambler's fallacy can't hurt, (so long as you flat bet)! :grin: