Paybacks a bitch

[Dopple]

If anyone thinks that I owe them something for sending me a link to a set on indices or any kind of information then just dont give it to me.

The idea here is that we help each other out of the kindness of our hearts.

Paybacks a bitch.

 

[zengrifter]

If anyone thinks that I owe them something for sending me a link to a set on indices or any kind of information then just dont give it to me.

The idea here is that we help each other out of the kindness of our hearts.

Paybacks a bitch.

We had a deal! I want my money!! :laugh:

Seriously though, which link was sent by which member? zg

 

[tthree]

If anyone thinks that I owe them something for sending me a link to a set on indices or any kind of information then just dont give it to me.

The idea here is that we help each other out of the kindness of our hearts.

Paybacks a bitch.

I hope you are not referring to me. I posted the info after I thought someone was attempting such a thing with information they asked me for. I posted I would appreciate a heads up on the game if it were East coast. I was pretty sure it wasn't because that type of opportunity doesn't happen here. I also said I couldn't blame you if you didn't care to share the info. I even posted a link to more useful info for your needs. I was happy to help you take full advantage of an opportunity. I never expected anything in return.

**I was asked to delete my posts due to another person not wanting the game known. I deleted what I thought was worth deleting. I don't know where the game is so I am not sure what sensitive material I posted. I figured the person asking me knew and thought I had revealed something. The link with the useful info was left in case you hadn't seen it yet.

 

[psyduck]

Seriously though, which link was sent by which member? zg

Where have you been, sir?

 

[Dopple]

I didnt read everything through real thorough but I got the feeling that I owed someone something. I think it was whomever sent the link on holecarding indices. Maybe I was too harsh if so I regret my harshness.

 

[zengrifter]

Where have you been, sir?

I just skim along the surface, stirring occasionally. zg

 

[zengrifter]

...link on holecarding indices.

Does anyone here believe that indices are meaningful in HC? zg

 

[tthree]

Does anyone here believe that indices are meaningful in HC? zg

If he was referring to me I put up a holecarding strategy link. It had no indices. Maybe he meant someone else. The thread had most of the posts deleted. I didn't expect anything. I would only have an interest if it were an east coast store. It gave him a nice out if he didn't want to share the info all he had to say was it was not on the east coast whether it was or not. He didn't have to say thanks for the info I am sure it will be worth thousands or tens of thousands to me but I don't care to return the favor.

There are a lot of shortsighted and greedy APs with huge bankrolls who over bet the tolerance of the store and kill great games or promos thinking only of themselves and only of profit for that day not long term. I am sure Dopple would be mum because of them. They are not as Dopple says helping anyone out of the kindness of their hearts. Their kind advice and actions have the BJ conditions steadily decreasing across the country. I know APs who try very hard not to over bet or over win store tolerances and they make 5 to 10K a week. That's $250,000 to $500,000 a year. I just don't see why someone would feel this isn't enough. They will continue to be able to win this kind of money for many many years because they are not short sighted. Of course we play very strong count so the downswings are smaller and less frequent. Nothing like a high PE.

 

[Gamblor]

Does anyone here believe that indices are meaningful in HC? zg

Interesting question, I would think so, although I've never ran across such a chart. I know for sure when you see the next card for the dealer the indicies change.

Arguably the advantage is so big with HC'ing in BJ you really don't need to use indicies.

 

[johndoe]

QFIT publishes such indicies, but also notes that there are probably very few people, if any, who bother using them.

 

[pit15]

If you've ever actually done a HC BJ play you would know why count based indices aren't practical

 

[Sucker]

Anyone who spreads their bets while HC'ing is a fool. That means that the only reason you would ever even COUNT would be to garner a tiny bit more EV by a slightly altered PLAYING strategy. Why worry about an extra 1/4 of 1% when you're already playing at an advantage of <10%? What better cover for a counter, than to be able to flat bet and NEVER have to even GLANCE at the cards on the board?

Q: What is the cardinal sin of a holecarder?
A: Getting barred for making a card counting move!

Believe it or not, I've seen it happen; more than once!

 

[johndoe]

Anyone who spreads their bets while HC'ing is a fool. That means that the only reason you would ever even COUNT would be to garner a tiny bit more EV by a slightly altered PLAYING strategy. Why worry about an extra 1/4 of 1% when you're already playing at an advantage of <10%? What better cover for a counter, than to be able to flat bet and NEVER have to even GLANCE at the cards on the board?

Q: What is the cardinal sin of a holecarder?
A: Getting barred for making a card counting move!

Believe it or not, I've seen it happen; more than once!

That's true, but not all HC games give that much advantage.

 

[pit15]

Theoretically you would never get barred for counting while doing a HC play since your play would appear to suck so much they'd think you're an idiot.;

However, most people at a casino equates spreading and winning = card counter. Don't think for a minute that you won't get barred for counting because someone is actually competent enough to realize you're not playing anywhere close to basic strategy.

 

[zengrifter]

QFIT publishes such indicies, but also notes that there are probably very few people, if any, who bother using them.

I think it falls in the same category as counting in a BJ tourney. Yes? zg

 

[zengrifter]

Theoretically you would never get barred for counting while doing a HC play since your play would appear to suck so much they'd think you're an idiot.;

However, most people at a casino equates spreading and winning = card counter. Don't think for a minute that you won't get barred for counting because someone is actually competent enough to realize you're not playing anywhere close to basic strategy.

But you would still be flat-betting in HC, right? zg

 

[pit15]

But you would still be flat-betting in HC, right? zg

I can think of several situations where you wouldn't be.. Not going to go into the details, but for a crappy game you might want to spread.