Perfect BS Flat Betting + Comps= Even with Caisno?

[Carmine782]

Good Morning Everyone, I have heard that you play perfect Basic Strategy and never raise your lower your bet, and get some nice comps you will be playing an even game with the caisno is that true?

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Carmine

 

[KenSmith]

If you count the value of comps as cash, then yes, you'll be playing at least even with the casino. If the rules are good, you'll probably be slightly better than even.

 

[shadroch]

If you raise your bets when the pit bos is watching,and lower them when he is not,and take liberal bathroom breaks,you'll be ahead of the game counting the comps.

 

[EasyRhino]

If you're a table game method, I recommend Max Rubin's "Comp City".

If you're a machine player (and I mean good video poker), then, I guess, the main sources for comp hustling tend to be Jean Scott's "Frugal" series. I read "More Frugal Gambling", and it was okay, but not as explicitly about working the system as Rubin's book.

 

[FLASH1296]

F A L S E

No. That will fail miserably.

To determine your comps use an algorhythm that is 24% (higher in some venues) TIMES 1% TIMES the total hours played TIMES 100 (hands per hour) TIMES your average bet.

So ... If you average $25 and play for 4 hours your comp' total will be approx. $24

Welcome to the coffee shop.

 

[shadroch]

No. That will fail miserably.

To determine your comps use an algorhythm that is 24% (higher in some venues) TIMES 1% TIMES the total hours played TIMES 100 (hands per hour) TIMES your average bet.

So ... If you average $25 and play for 4 hours your comp' total will be approx. $24

Welcome to the coffee shop.

Perhaps you might get those results,but if so I'm guessing its because of your winning personality.My results are much ,much higher,as are anyone who knows how to milk the system.

 

[moo321]

No. That will fail miserably.

To determine your comps use an algorhythm that is 24% (higher in some venues) TIMES 1% TIMES the total hours played TIMES 100 (hands per hour) TIMES your average bet.

So ... If you average $25 and play for 4 hours your comp' total will be approx. $24

Welcome to the coffee shop.

This assumes that you know what formula the casino is using, and that the system is 100% accurate. Some casinos you could be less than that, and if you comp hustle, you could get much more.

 

[EasyRhino]

You gotta remember that the whole raison d'etre of comps is to grant the player goodies worth only a fraction of their expected losses to the casino. If generous, I guess "the formula" could be up to 40% of losses, but I suspect it's usually less.

So the only reason you're going to "break even" with comps is if you can somehow cause a system failure. With BJ, you've got a good shot by playing perfect basic strategy. The casinos average player rating probably assumes less than perfect basic strategy.

Beyond that, you've got the basics of making your average bet (and speed of player) lower than your rated bet and speed of play.

 

[shadroch]

AND PIE!!!!!!
Pitbosses love pie.Nothing opens the comp faucet like a nice piece of pie!

 

[Mr. T]

Good Morning Everyone, I have heard that you play perfect Basic Strategy and never raise your lower your bet, and get some nice comps you will be playing an even game with the caisno is that true?

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Carmine

You are theoretically correct. The casino assume the average player is playing with a 2% house advantage which in my mind is way too low. Their Comp rate is about 1/3 of this. So playing perfect BS with a 0.5% house advantage and contra that with the Comp of 0.7%, like Ken said, if you count this as cash, then you are slightly in positive territory.
You can leverage your Comp with the cat and mouse game with the pit boss as Shadroch advocate but that depends on your temperment.
You can also watch the bonus offering by the casino to leverage your Comp.
With new technology in RFID coming in, the manual guess work Comp by the pit boss may be a thing of the past.
Your Comp will be based on you actual loss and as presently for the 'whales' or high roller, I understand the Comp is about 10 to 20% of their losses. The new technology can capture the loss of the smallest players.

 

[EasyRhino]

Your Comp will be based on you actual loss and as presently for the 'whales' or high roller, I understand the Comp is about 10 to 20% of their losses. The new technology can capture the loss of the smallest players.

Whoah now, you're probably missing a work. any sensible casino (even with perfect measurement) would be basing comps off actual expected loss. After all, people get lucky and unlucky sometimes.

 

[Mr. T]

Whoah now, you're probably missing a work. any sensible casino (even with perfect measurement) would be basing comps off actual expected loss. After all, people get lucky and unlucky sometimes.

How and how much the casinos want to Comp you is a human decision. The thing is the computers tell them how much you have lost or won and your betting history.

 

[FLASH1296]

24%

Yes, up to 40% is possible, but not until a Pit Boss or Shift Manager evaluates you as a hopeless clod. Some casinos will offer you very little or nothing if you are an obvious B. S. player who is "playing for comps". Some venues such as Connecticut do not rise above 24%. In Las Vegas, many strip casinos routinely refuse to rate you at all if you are averaging $25 or less per bet.

 

[moo321]

Yes, up to 40% is possible, but not until a Pit Boss or Shift Manager evaluates you as a hopeless clod. Some casinos will offer you very little or nothing if you are an obvious B. S. player who is "playing for comps". Some venues such as Connecticut do not rise above 24%. In Las Vegas, many strip casinos routinely refuse to rate you at all if you are averaging $25 or less per bet.

Do you play a lot of blackjack? I'm not asking to sound like a dick, but it sounds like you're very focused on some formulas you've read in a book.

 

[mdlbj]

Perfect BS Flat Betting + Comps= Even with Caisno?

Its called a comp game..

 

[shadroch]

Yes, up to 40% is possible, but not until a Pit Boss or Shift Manager evaluates you as a hopeless clod. Some casinos will offer you very little or nothing if you are an obvious B. S. player who is "playing for comps". Some venues such as Connecticut do not rise above 24%. In Las Vegas, many strip casinos routinely refuse to rate you at all if you are averaging $25 or less per bet.

I have no idea what your playing background is,but you sound like you are simply copying information you are getting out of books,and not very good books either.No casino I'm aware of,certainly not the ones in Conn use 100 hands an hour as their usual rate for BJ comps. Nor do they use the other numbers you've provided.
Where are you coming up with these figures?

 

[FLASH1296]

My personality? Hmmm. I guess that my icononoclastic tendencies offend you.

"Play much?"

I played as a Pro for over 20 yrs.

I moved to the world of Poker year, because that is where the $$ is.

 

[shadroch]

You are a twenty year pro? Have you met our other new member who's been barred from every land based casino in the US? It's rare we get such an influx of new talent.
It reminds me of a line from a Kevin Bacon movie. He is applying for a job as a waiter and tells the manager that he's really a screen writer. Manager replies'"You should talk to our busboy,he's a producer".
So where are you coming up with your figures?

 

[shadroch]

No. That will fail miserably.

To determine your comps use an algorhythm that is 24% (higher in some venues) TIMES 1% TIMES the total hours played TIMES 100 (hands per hour) TIMES your average bet.

So ... If you average $25 and play for 4 hours your comp' total will be approx. $24

Welcome to the coffee shop.

Where did you get these figures,in particular?

 

[FLASH1296]

There are some casinos where I have not been 86'd.
I have never played in Oregon or Washington for instance.
These 'figures' are common knowledge and only vary a bit from place to place.