I'm thinking of going to play at a casino I got kicked out of a few months ago. I just want to go play one session for a few hours. I'm not going to use a player's card or give them a ID. I predict after a hour or so they will ask me for my name or ID. If i just tell them I dont have it on me what will happen? What if i just refuse to give them my name? Otherwise I was just thinking I will go there and try to hit them hard, if I get caught then I do....oh well.
Playing after kicked out
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supercoolmancool
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You should call the casino and ask if you can play. That is what I did and it worked. They told me that they didn't have any ban under my name. Maybe your casino backed you off without inputing the info into their computers too. That way when they remember you and say, "Hey didn't we have a talk with you a couple of months ago?" And then you can say, "I called you yesterday and you said I could play remember." And then they will be like, "Yeah I remember." That is what happend to me. I assume I am still technically welcome back.
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Haha, yeah. Everytime we go back we can keep calling and asking if we are ok to come back. Like last time they won't want to ask us to leave at the table, they will wait until after we color up. They were basically paying us to eat free food and drink.supercoolmancool said:
ihate17
Well-Known Member
Many go back
I understand the problem of taking a long drive and then being told you can not play.
I return to casinos where I have been backed off, but most of these were in casino towns where if you can not play in one you have other choices.
The best indicator for me is simply how the backoff was done by both them and myself. I try to give them very little to remember me by and hopefully several months later they will not remember me. Also, it helps if you were unrated when backed off because they might not have your name even if they took your photo. I remember returning to one place and after getting a good run early on the pit opened a drawer, pulled out a looseleaf and a bunch of loose phots and started going through them. If he found my photo in that disorganized drawer, he also found that I was gone by the time he took his face away from the photos.
Also, even though people change shifts, I would suggest you go during a shift other than the one where your backoff came.
ihate17
I understand the problem of taking a long drive and then being told you can not play.
I return to casinos where I have been backed off, but most of these were in casino towns where if you can not play in one you have other choices.
The best indicator for me is simply how the backoff was done by both them and myself. I try to give them very little to remember me by and hopefully several months later they will not remember me. Also, it helps if you were unrated when backed off because they might not have your name even if they took your photo. I remember returning to one place and after getting a good run early on the pit opened a drawer, pulled out a looseleaf and a bunch of loose phots and started going through them. If he found my photo in that disorganized drawer, he also found that I was gone by the time he took his face away from the photos.
Also, even though people change shifts, I would suggest you go during a shift other than the one where your backoff came.
ihate17
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Be very careful doing this in an Indian joint. You have no rights there! The only thing stopping them from taking you in a back room and beating the hell out of you is bad press.Cass said:
It sounds to me that you have a solid green chip bankroll, so you might want to consider traveling a bit.
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Having your chips confiscated with no compensation is also -EV. I'm not saying "don't do it", just full disclosure of what can potentially happen to you in the unregulated environment of an IJ.ScottH said:Traveling is -EV... to the Indian joint!
Just a few additional points...
Never register for a player's card. Sucker play. Casino gains too much info on you. Cass your right with one exception-limit play to approx. 25 minutes. Ihate also mentioned only playing in multi-casino area...right. And Scott also confirmed that traveling is necessary to be successful. The Indian Casinos are a joke and bad play, especially if you are a local. The problem with them is normally they are an island too far from another casino. The bottom line today, in my opinion is you have ot hit and run. Period. Regardless of table rules, the best place to make money today is AC. You have 13 casinos, combined with a legal counting law that enables you to hit them all and pick your spots. It's like betting horses. A true handicapper will watch every race each day, including qualifiers. A true Professional Horse Handicapper is only making approx. 5 plays weekly and his key to success is PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE. Same in BJ.
Never register for a player's card. Sucker play. Casino gains too much info on you. Cass your right with one exception-limit play to approx. 25 minutes. Ihate also mentioned only playing in multi-casino area...right. And Scott also confirmed that traveling is necessary to be successful. The Indian Casinos are a joke and bad play, especially if you are a local. The problem with them is normally they are an island too far from another casino. The bottom line today, in my opinion is you have ot hit and run. Period. Regardless of table rules, the best place to make money today is AC. You have 13 casinos, combined with a legal counting law that enables you to hit them all and pick your spots. It's like betting horses. A true handicapper will watch every race each day, including qualifiers. A true Professional Horse Handicapper is only making approx. 5 plays weekly and his key to success is PATIENCE AND DISCIPLINE. Same in BJ.
zengrifter
Banned
Thats the spirit! Shave your head and get a diamond ear-stud! Or, just dress like a cowboy or Hell's Angel. zgCass said:
jimpenn said:
Hmm I dont really agree with this. I have made $1,000's in cashable comps. usually adding $20/hr to ev or more. Also the place where I made the most comp money i was going there two times a week on and off for 6+months. They have only a few BJ tables open at a time usually. They all knew me by name. It didnt matter if i had a player card or not. Plus all the free hotel rooms and food. My next trip to vegas in a couple weeks I have all my hotel stay completely compd and I dont expect to pay for food. It is also my belief that it could throw a red flag if you dont use a player card, especially while playing for high stakes.
As far as the best place to play AC?? Screw that, those games arent too good from what I hear/read. Your EV is a lot higher in Vegas at the higher stakes games. .26%HA 6deck, and .19%HA 2deck games are awesome! I played for hours and hours without getting heat last time i was out there. It may be a different story this trip.
-Cass
ihate17
Well-Known Member
The strange thing about Vegas for green chippers
I agree with much of what you said about Vegas Cass
The funny thing is that most of the casinos that offer the better games, especially the .26% shoe games are quite tolerant of green chip counting, while many of the casinos with games over .5% are intolerant and some even intolerant of red chippers.
ihate17
I agree with much of what you said about Vegas Cass
The funny thing is that most of the casinos that offer the better games, especially the .26% shoe games are quite tolerant of green chip counting, while many of the casinos with games over .5% are intolerant and some even intolerant of red chippers.
ihate17
I've always been curious about the indian joints being able to do whatever they want. If they can do anything to us and we have no recourse, is the reverse true? Can we burn down the casino and they don't have any legal recourse? Because if they pulled a "You didn't win that jackpot" type play on me that's probably what I would do.Automatic Monkey said:
Automatic Monkey
Banned
I can't agree with that; in my opinion as an East Coast player AC is not a good place to play except under specific circumstances. The rules are mediocre, the pen is generally bad, there are no easliy exploitable sidebets, the crowds are beyond oppressive, and most of the shuffles are not easily exploitable. That said, there are opportunities for teams, advanced AP's and large action players there. But it's the last place I'd send a straight counter.jimpenn said:
Ac Sucks
I recently took a trip to AC:
I think the only real "playable" place I found was Borgata.
Here is my blog entry from that trip:
oh yeah.. and pardon the language... it's just the way I write
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First casino I hit was Resorts and I was in and out of ther ein less than 3 minutes. I walked into their blackjack pit and nothing but 8 deck or Continuous shuffle machines (CSM). CSMs make my card counting abilities null and void and 8 decks are too much a variance and pain in the ass to play against.
I stopped by their sorry excuse for a poker room. Nothing but $2/$4 limit. Kiss my ass.
Walked next door to Taj Mahal. Out of there just as fast.
Next I was at the House of Blues/Showboat Casino. Blackjack was out of the question. 8 decks with shitty penetration. So I went upstairs to their poker room. I had the option of doing a $100 buy-in tournament or $1/$2 no limit. I got on the list for 1/2. I watched one 1/2 table that waas insane but I got sat down at a different one.
Then I walked down the boardwalk. I hit Caesars. Lost $25. Then I kinda just walked around the casino and ended up in the high roller pit. I saw a guy betting $5000 a hand. Holy Shit. Well, I wathced a hand were he got 88 against a dealer 6. Split. Draws a 3. Doubles. and got 18 on the other. Dealer drew out to 21. I just witnessed a guy lose $15,000 in a SINGLE hand of blackjack. Wow.
Sands, Bally's, and a few others I hit and played a few games here but nothing looked very good and I found my way back to resorts. I decided to play at the $2/$4 limit game after all. And Ilost $15 and left the table saying "this is the most boring poker game ever." At this point it was about 3 am.
So I left and found my way to the Borgata. Damn. Why did I waste my time at the other casinos? 6 deck blackjack. 1.5 cutoff... Tolerable. But all the tables were full or at $15 minimum. So I asked if there were any other pits and I got pointed to where the $10 tables were. I found a table with only two others playing. I now find out why they are by themselves. The only guy literally smells like he shit himself. I tolerate 2 shoes and I quit not only because of the smell, but because I am so exhausted at this point my brain keeps locking up while counting. Not Good. But I squeezed $30 out of the blackjack. Not that good a run but at least I was up.
I walked into their poker room. Wow. This was the nicest poker room in town. I decided to browse and I saw a $50./$100 NL game. Holy shit. Guys with stacks of orange and purple chips. I don't see this shit in the indian casinos.
I sit down at 1/2 and I made a few bucks .. but started to nod off at the table. So I packed up, and drove on the AC expressway to the closest service plaza and slept in the car. It was 5:30 am. The sun was coming up.
I slept until about 1pm
AC Day Two
I drive back to Borgata. Screw the other casinos. I immediately sit down at a blackjack table. Me and one other person. Count was favorable for a few shoes and I was making some money. More people were sitting at the table and there was a black guy... henceforth referred to as idiot and ploppy. He would double down on a 7 against a deuce. He'd split 44 against a 7. He went broke.
Then I got a NICE count going during a shoe and I was started to bet bigger and bigger. Then the idiot came back. EVERYONE at the table asked him to wait since we had been winning a few hands. Of course, he didn't listen. And that's when I started getting killed. Whenever I had a double down, he would take the card I needed. Including the time he HIT a hard 17 against a dealer 8. He took the 10 I needed for my 11. I drew a fucking 5. how much was I betting.. $50... so now $100. I lost.
The shoe started out and I had climed up $200 but now I was down to my final $100. That's right I had a $450 swing thanks to this asshole. He went broke and left. Then I had a $50 bet out.. doubled down.. won. Now I'm back in business.
The next shoe I got back to the point I was up $50. Only 50. SHould've been more. Damn I hate idiots who don't know what they're doing.
The next shoe I left when the count went to shit. I told everyone at the table it was time to leave 'cuz the next few hands would be brutal. The dealer won almost EVERY single hand after I left. Drew out to 20 or 21. Saw a guy lose $400 in one hand. Everyone at the table lost at least $100 in the rest of the shoe. Glad I left.
I recently took a trip to AC:
I think the only real "playable" place I found was Borgata.
Here is my blog entry from that trip:
oh yeah.. and pardon the language... it's just the way I write
--
First casino I hit was Resorts and I was in and out of ther ein less than 3 minutes. I walked into their blackjack pit and nothing but 8 deck or Continuous shuffle machines (CSM). CSMs make my card counting abilities null and void and 8 decks are too much a variance and pain in the ass to play against.
I stopped by their sorry excuse for a poker room. Nothing but $2/$4 limit. Kiss my ass.
Walked next door to Taj Mahal. Out of there just as fast.
Next I was at the House of Blues/Showboat Casino. Blackjack was out of the question. 8 decks with shitty penetration. So I went upstairs to their poker room. I had the option of doing a $100 buy-in tournament or $1/$2 no limit. I got on the list for 1/2. I watched one 1/2 table that waas insane but I got sat down at a different one.
Then I walked down the boardwalk. I hit Caesars. Lost $25. Then I kinda just walked around the casino and ended up in the high roller pit. I saw a guy betting $5000 a hand. Holy Shit. Well, I wathced a hand were he got 88 against a dealer 6. Split. Draws a 3. Doubles. and got 18 on the other. Dealer drew out to 21. I just witnessed a guy lose $15,000 in a SINGLE hand of blackjack. Wow.
Sands, Bally's, and a few others I hit and played a few games here but nothing looked very good and I found my way back to resorts. I decided to play at the $2/$4 limit game after all. And Ilost $15 and left the table saying "this is the most boring poker game ever." At this point it was about 3 am.
So I left and found my way to the Borgata. Damn. Why did I waste my time at the other casinos? 6 deck blackjack. 1.5 cutoff... Tolerable. But all the tables were full or at $15 minimum. So I asked if there were any other pits and I got pointed to where the $10 tables were. I found a table with only two others playing. I now find out why they are by themselves. The only guy literally smells like he shit himself. I tolerate 2 shoes and I quit not only because of the smell, but because I am so exhausted at this point my brain keeps locking up while counting. Not Good. But I squeezed $30 out of the blackjack. Not that good a run but at least I was up.
I walked into their poker room. Wow. This was the nicest poker room in town. I decided to browse and I saw a $50./$100 NL game. Holy shit. Guys with stacks of orange and purple chips. I don't see this shit in the indian casinos.
I sit down at 1/2 and I made a few bucks .. but started to nod off at the table. So I packed up, and drove on the AC expressway to the closest service plaza and slept in the car. It was 5:30 am. The sun was coming up.
I slept until about 1pm
AC Day Two
I drive back to Borgata. Screw the other casinos. I immediately sit down at a blackjack table. Me and one other person. Count was favorable for a few shoes and I was making some money. More people were sitting at the table and there was a black guy... henceforth referred to as idiot and ploppy. He would double down on a 7 against a deuce. He'd split 44 against a 7. He went broke.
Then I got a NICE count going during a shoe and I was started to bet bigger and bigger. Then the idiot came back. EVERYONE at the table asked him to wait since we had been winning a few hands. Of course, he didn't listen. And that's when I started getting killed. Whenever I had a double down, he would take the card I needed. Including the time he HIT a hard 17 against a dealer 8. He took the 10 I needed for my 11. I drew a fucking 5. how much was I betting.. $50... so now $100. I lost.
The shoe started out and I had climed up $200 but now I was down to my final $100. That's right I had a $450 swing thanks to this asshole. He went broke and left. Then I had a $50 bet out.. doubled down.. won. Now I'm back in business.
The next shoe I got back to the point I was up $50. Only 50. SHould've been more. Damn I hate idiots who don't know what they're doing.
The next shoe I left when the count went to shit. I told everyone at the table it was time to leave 'cuz the next few hands would be brutal. The dealer won almost EVERY single hand after I left. Drew out to 20 or 21. Saw a guy lose $400 in one hand. Everyone at the table lost at least $100 in the rest of the shoe. Glad I left.
Interesting story. A few comments, sounds like you definately need a bigger BR or more wonging to play in AC. 1/2 poker?? can you even make money at that? Don't blame other players for your cards they "took" that is so annoying. It doesnt matter what other players do at the table. there hand is separate from yours. You should probably bring more than $500 if you are going to play 100/hand!
-cass
-cass
golfnut101
Well-Known Member
Indian joints
Im not sure I totally agree about these places. Maybe I have not been in enough, or maybe it is different north of the border, but, I play at a Indian casino once in a while and have had no issues whatsoever. The only thing that sucks is they recently switched to 8d, but seen a dealer cut to 5 d, so that is pretty sweet. I would like to go into U.S. to play some IJ, but maybe they are quite a bit different. I doubt theyll sweat my action anyways. Anyone care to share experiences about such casinos ?
Im not sure I totally agree about these places. Maybe I have not been in enough, or maybe it is different north of the border, but, I play at a Indian casino once in a while and have had no issues whatsoever. The only thing that sucks is they recently switched to 8d, but seen a dealer cut to 5 d, so that is pretty sweet. I would like to go into U.S. to play some IJ, but maybe they are quite a bit different. I doubt theyll sweat my action anyways. Anyone care to share experiences about such casinos ?
Automatic Monkey
Banned
I'm glad you did too, for your own well-being!Preston said:
Let me give you some advice- Cass is right, I wouldn't set foot in AC without $5K in my pocket. Never mind the 8D games, you can play 8D just fine, the trick to beating AC with counting is aggressive backcounting. You need never play a negative EV hand in that city.
You'll also need to get over superstitions about players "taking" a card.
Finally, I'd recommend not sleeping at the highway rest areas! It's a good way to get in trouble. $40 rooms are available on US 30 outside of town.
