Playing anon. in high limit rooms

[Solo player]

I play mainly green chip tables on the main floors of casinos. But I was wondering is it possible to play anon. in high limit rooms with table minimums at say say 1 or 2 hundred dollars and a spread of 1-8 dd and 1-12 on 6dk. It seems like it would be tough to do. A lot of times the tables are empty so your play is really going to be watched. Maybe if you kept your sessions real short? I'm just not sure.


Or what about wonging at busy times? Even then it seems like you would still stick out.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Well if your question is can you do it, yes. However some smaller places really, really try to get your ID out of you or want to "see your players card so you can be rated". There is a place near me where you have to show ID to even get into the HL room!

Now as for getting heat unrated, yeah they're gunna be watching.

 

[FLASH1296]

Anyone playing "unrated" is simply asking for a skills check.

Normal people want their comps, and they know that. Doh'

 

[chichow]

It depends.

For example, at say a large casino in downtown Milwaukee in the Midwest, you need your players card to get into the High Limit room (or be invited by a Pit boss / host, etc.)

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On the other hand, in Vegas you can just waltz into say the NYNY or Venetian high limit room and play for a little while with no players card.

How long before the pit calls upstairs for a skills check is going to vary

 

[aslan]

It depends.

For example, at say a large casino in downtown Milwaukee in the Midwest, you need your players card to get into the High Limit room (or be invited by a Pit boss / host, etc.)

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On the other hand, in Vegas you can just waltz into say the NYNY or Venetian high limit room and play for a little while with no players card.

How long before the pit calls upstairs for a skills check is going to vary

I assume it is a Native American casino, otherwise it would probably be illegal to deny access to the HL room.

 

[Blue Efficacy]

I assume it is a Native American casino, otherwise it would probably be illegal to deny access to the HL room.

No, as long as discrimination isn't done based on things like race, etc. I am sure casinos in most jurisdictions can let whomever play on their tables they want.

Besides anyone can get player cards, membership is free!

 

[zengrifter]

Anyone playing [high limit] "unrated" is simply asking for a skills check.

Concur with limited exception. zg

 

[aslan]

No, as long as discrimination isn't done based on things like race, etc. I am sure casinos in most jurisdictions can let whomever play on their tables they want.

Besides anyone can get player cards, membership is free!

As far as I know, in Vegas and AC they cannot keep customers from visiting the high limit rooms with or without a player's card.

 

[ArcticInferno]

Large majority of ploppies in the high limit room play basic strategy, and enough
of them play basic strategy that the “skills check” has very little meaning.
What if you do play basic strategy without errors? So what?!
Also, you can ask the dealer or the floor supervisor if you should hit A7 vs T.
They will usually say, “According to the book,...”
I started out playing red, and eventually graduated to green, and now I only play black in the high limit room.
I *never* play rated. I don’t even own a players card.
I always play two hands of $200 each, for total of $400, on the first round.
I spread to 2x$400, and ultimately to 2x$600. I rarely go to 2x$800 because it’s unnecessary.
If the count drops below zero, I reduce to 2x$100 or 1x$100.
I wong out if the count plummets into the abyss.
I never play at a full table. Ideal condition is one or two other players at the table.
Surprisingly, this low spread is extremely profitable.
The yield is low in terms of "units", but very high in terms of absolute dollars.
In about 10 hrs, I can average about $4k-$8k.
The key is a healthy propensity to wong out.
I would advise you to be well capitalized. You should have $10k or $15k with you.

 

[blackriver]

Large majority of ploppies in the high limit room play basic strategy, and enough
of them play basic strategy that the “skills check” has very little meaning.
What if you do play basic strategy without errors? So what?!
Also, you can ask the dealer or the floor supervisor if you should hit A7 vs T.
They will usually say, “According to the book,...”
I started out playing red, and eventually graduated to green, and now I only play black in the high limit room.
I *never* play rated. I don’t even own a players card.
I always play two hands of $200 each, for total of $400, on the first round.
I spread to 2x$400, and ultimately to 2x$600. I rarely go to 2x$800 because it’s unnecessary.
If the count drops below zero, I reduce to 2x$100 or 1x$100.
I wong out if the count plummets into the abyss.
I never play at a full table. Ideal condition is one or two other players at the table.
Surprisingly, this low spread is extremely profitable.
The yield is low in terms of "units", but very high in terms of absolute dollars.
In about 10 hrs, I can average about $4k-$8k.
The key is a healthy propensity to wong out.
I would advise you to be well capitalized. You should have $10k or $15k with you.

wow, can anyone else confirm this? just standard hilo card counting?

 

[ArcticInferno]

Blackriver, I don't use Hi-Lo, which is a level one system.
I use a level three system (single parameter).
However, a level two system would yield a similar result.
I have nothing to gain by lying. Really!

 

[zengrifter]

Large majority of ploppies in the high limit room play basic strategy, and enough
of them play basic strategy that the “skills check” has very little meaning.
What if you do play basic strategy without errors? So what?!
Also, you can ask the dealer or the floor supervisor if you should hit A7 vs T.
They will usually say, “According to the book,...”
I started out playing red, and eventually graduated to green, and now I only play black in the high limit room.
I *never* play rated. I don’t even own a players card.
I always play two hands of $200 each, for total of $400, on the first round.
I spread to 2x$400, and ultimately to 2x$600. I rarely go to 2x$800 because it’s unnecessary.
If the count drops below zero, I reduce to 2x$100 or 1x$100.
I wong out if the count plummets into the abyss.
I never play at a full table. Ideal condition is one or two other players at the table.
Surprisingly, this low spread is extremely profitable.
The yield is low in terms of "units", but very high in terms of absolute dollars.
In about 10 hrs, I can average about $4k-$8k.
The key is a healthy propensity to wong out.
I would advise you to be well capitalized. You should have $10k or $15k with you.

Have you ever simmed your game approach?
Average 4u+/hour sounds very high. (statistically speaking) zg

 

[ArcticInferno]

Have you ever simmed your game approach?
Average 4u+/hour sounds very high. (statistically speaking) zg

Yes, actually I have.
I have run countless simulations for different betting strategies.
I was particularly concerned with repelling heat.
It’s important to bet only one color, in my case black (no mixing of greens or purples).
Also, the denominations can’t be too calculated.
Starting out at 2x$200 and doubling to 2x$400 doesn’t look suspicious.
I might casually go to 2x$500 or 2x$600, which doesn’t raise an eye brow.
As stated previously, a healthy propensity to wong out is the key.

Why do you say “4u+/hr”?
2x$200 = $400 on first round on a fresh shoe.
If I average $600/hr, how is it “4u+/hr”?

 

[zengrifter]

Why do you say “4u+/hr”?
2x$200 = $400 on first round on a fresh shoe.
If I average $600/hr, how is it “4u+/hr”?

Because your minimum bet is 0-2x$100? And your claim is $400+/hr? zg

 

[paddywhack]

I think because of this

In about 10 hrs, I can average about $4k-$8k.

Why do you say “4u+/hr”?
2x$200 = $400 on first round on a fresh shoe.
If I average $600/hr, how is it “4u+/hr”?

$4000/10hrs = 4u/hr, correct??

 

[ArcticInferno]

Because your minimum bet is 0-2x$100? And your claim is $400+/hr? zg

If I average $4k-$8k in 10 hrs, then that's approximately $600/hr.
Where do you get $400/hr?
Please recheck your math.
Now, what's my minimum bet? That's a complex question.
On a fresh shoe, on the first round at TC of zero, I bet 2x$200.
At negative counts, I drop to 2x$100, and even down to 1x$100, which I did state in my post.
When the count nose dives further, I wong out.
Again, I have nothing to gain by lying.

 

[ArcticInferno]

$4000/10hrs = 4u/hr, correct??

Paddywhack, you quoted me saying that I average $4k-$8k in 10 hrs.
That's $600/hr. What's wrong with you?

 

[ArcticInferno]

If I can give an advice, don't play at a full table.
Play with only one or two others at the table.

 

[ArcticInferno]

I don’t want to start a firestorm, and I don’t want to get into an argument,...
Playing two hands of $200 in each hand is different from playing one hand of $400.
Playing two hands of $200 is like playing one hand of $200 but at twice the rate.
Imagine playing at two tables at once, and playing one hand of $200 at each table.
I know that a lot of you may disagree, and site variance and other things.
But the truth is, playing two hands is like playing at twice the speed.

 

[paddywhack]

Paddywhack, you quoted me saying that I average $4k-$8k in 10 hrs.
That's $600/hr. What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong here. Just stating that what appeared to be an obvious statement by zg was there in your post.

You do seem to like to escalate things. No offense was meant. Hope this doesn't turn into another bj21 rant.