Playing blackjack as a business is a most read!!!

Have you read Playing Blackjack as a Business?

  • Yes, and I loved

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • Yes, and I did not care for it.

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • No, but I want to read it

    Votes: 11 29.7%
  • No and I don't want to read it.

    Votes: 18 48.6%

  • Total voters
    37
  • Poll closed .

Cardcounter

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For a few $$$ you can get the book on Ebay just type in playing blackjack as a business it is by far the best book ever written on blackjack!!! If you are like me you will go from a losing player to a player that the casinos fear within weeks of getting this book and reading through it.
 

Cardcounter

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It has both hi low and 5's count.

It has both the hi low count and the 5's count. The 5's count is good for begining counters and adds a lot to the game of the hi low counter if he learns it as well. It also tells you composition stragedy.
 

zengrifter

Banned
Cardcounter said:
For a few $$$ you can get the book on Ebay just type in playing blackjack as a business it is by far the best book ever written on blackjack!!! If you are like me you will go from a losing player to a player that the casinos fear within weeks of getting this book and reading through it.
Yes, I loved it... in 1970... BUT PBJAAB is wholly antiquated for todays game. OBSOLETE - NOT a winning book by itself. Not recommended except as historical merit, like Beat The Dealer. zg
 

zengrifter

Banned
Cardcounter said:
It has both the hi low count and the 5's count. The 5's count is good for begining counters and adds a lot to the game of the hi low counter if he learns it as well. It also tells you composition stragedy.
The 5s count is useless and the Point Count (level-2) is good but the betting advice is seriously FLAWED and won't win. zg
 

Cardcounter

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Adjustments must be made.

The book has a lot of good info on how to play your hands but there could be a couple of adjustments to the book. Like for one must of the dealer probilities are for stay on soft 17. Second the gains or losses for drawing are also based on staty on soft 17 it doesn't matter for dealers cards of 7-10 because soft 17 is not possible. Next the stragedy for four decks can be applied to a 6 or 8 deck shoe as well and be perfectly accurate. There is not that much changed from the stragedy of 1 deck to 6 decks. Even though there have been minor adjustments in the game the playing stragedy has not changed that much. The most major adjustment is that the dealer now hits soft 17 in almost every club. Plus 6 to 5 blackjack has become more popular in casinos but a lot of them still offer the better game of 3 to 2.
 

bj bob

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In Re:"Specks Revere"

...Zg's best buddy.
First let me preface this treatise by saying that I learned card counting using the Revere System, one step at a time.
Fundamentally Revere presents a sound background for the theory of blackjack. The problem arises in the fact that his book was written in the 70's for the game and conditions of the 70's, which were, at the time, SD,S17,LS,DOA and great pen. Today's conditions unhappily have changed. That having been said,I believe that his system can be adapted to today's game with some caveats.
The first thing which must be addressed in his simple Plus-Minus system in PBJaaB is that there is no index provided for insurance. He tells you when to increase your bets and when to deviate from BS, with the glaring ommision of the most crucial departure. To his credit, however, he does address this in his "advanced" books.
Secondly, the treatment of S17 vs. H17 causes confusion. It did for me, but I eventually worked that out.
The third, and perhaps biggest flaw in his book is his treatment of bankroll requirements. It's just simply way too low. 120 Units just don't cut it. Zg had mentioned in a previous thread a while back that he would rework it, so here's your chance Zgman! Go for it we're all eyes and brains!
Finally, the Point Count Strategy in the book overall gets very good feedback, even better than his Advanced Point Count which goes for $200 and is overcomplicated with little extra EV. I believe the Monk even uses the PC System from the book. On a more perspective note, most of his "Golden Rules" still apply today...keep your sessions to an hour, beware of pit scutiny, do not play while tired or drunk, don't play SD with too many players and don't play with money you can't afford to lose. How could anyone argue these?
 

Ronnie

Active Member
My problem with the Revere book

One of my biggest problems with Lawrence Revere, who I am sure was a very learned and wise individual when it comes to the game, was his insistence that if you make one single mistake you are headed down the path of doom and gloom!

He may have been a blackjack wizard but I found his entire attitude to be a turn-off.

I wonder if others have felt the same way.

My personal opinion is that Edward O. Thorp probably, in general, ended up helping the casinos more than the players!

The reason?

I suspect there are many people out there who feel that all you have to do is latch on to a winning card-count system and your fortune will be made!

The reality, of course, is quite different.

I also suspect that many people spend hours learning how to count cards but fail to fully learn basic strategy and probably make so many elementary mistakes while sitting at a table that any advantage they might have is quickly negated.
 
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EasyRhino

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We're getting far afield here, but it seems that many counting systems back in the day (70's) were quite expensive.

Are there still any legitimate systems that are quite expensive and semi-exclusive?
 

zengrifter

Banned
EasyRhino said:
We're getting far afield here, but it seems that many counting systems back in the day (70's) were quite expensive.
Are there still any legitimate systems that are quite expensive and semi-exclusive?
Not really - not for counting. zg
 
EasyRhino said:
We're getting far afield here, but it seems that many counting systems back in the day (70's) were quite expensive.

Are there still any legitimate systems that are quite expensive and semi-exclusive?
Yes and no. With the Qfit software suite you can design a count and system as good as or better than anything ever published. But that is work, and you can still buy good systems like BRH and UBZ that already have the work done.
 

Cardcounter

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The most important 2 pages printed on blackjack!!!

The most important pages that I have ever read on the subject of blackjack are in Playing Blackjack as a Business on pages 55 and 61 page 55 is the gain or loss by drawing on hard 12-17 and on soft 17-18 when the count is zero.
Page 61 is the gain by splitting pairs and by doubling down when the count is zero. Did you know that splitting two 8's vs a 7 gains 57% percent so the cost of not splitting to 8's vs a 7 on a $10 bet is $5.70!!!
 

zengrifter

Banned
Cardcounter said:
Did you know that splitting two 8's vs a 7 gains 57% percent so the cost of not splitting to 8's vs a 7 on a $10 bet is $5.70!!!
Yes, not splitting 88v7 is one of the worst mistakes. zg
 

Cardcounter

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Whats the difference?

What do you mean by modern blackjack games vs games in the 1970's? A lot of the playing rules apply to both modern and old rules of the 1970's. The math has not changed just because the book is over 30 years old. Learning that hitting a 16 vs 7 would win me 12 extra units on average was really helpful.
 

Cardcounter

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People don't want to play with an advantage!!!

People have seen hollywood movies when a card counter gets the crap beat out of them and they don't want to play the game with the advantage because they fear the worst could happen to them if they play with an advantage. In Nevada all that ever happens at worst is you are asked not to play any more. If you follow this you will get an advantage from somebody who was kicked out or barred from playing blackjack in every casino in Nevada.
 

supercoolmancool

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Cardcounter said:
People have seen hollywood movies when a card counter gets the crap beat out of them and they don't want to play the game with the advantage because they fear the worst could happen to them if they play with an advantage. In Nevada all that ever happens at worst is you are asked not to play any more. If you follow this you will get an advantage from somebody who was kicked out or barred from playing blackjack in every casino in Nevada.
Why do you care about that book so much? Why would you want to follow in the footsteps of someone who has been barred from blackjack in every casino in Nevada?
 
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Cardcounter

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Because...

It took me from being a ploppy losing a lot when I went into the casino to being feared by the casino because I'm winning more sessions than I'm losing when I play with good rules. Plus I think it is the one blackjack book that I could really understand well.
 
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