Ploopy's a woman's prespective

Victoria

Well-Known Member
A girlfriend and I went to our local Indian Casino the other day. At this place I generally come out at $50 at the beginning of a shoe, go down to $25 if I am playing a negative and up my bet to as high as $250 if things are going well.
One thing that may never happen to the male members here is whenever I deviate from basic strategy because of the count, I get helpful suggestions from a ploppy or two. Helpful guys who want to teach this young lady the ins and outs of the game. These guys might actually be creating pretty good cover because the pit types hear a few comments when I deviate but perhaps if they ran a counter program on me it would be different. This time it was the guy to my right as I was at third base. I am up a bunch, he is loosing, the count is high and on my $200 bet I get a 16, the dealer a K. Since there is no surrender, I stick and he tells me that if I am going to bet that much I should read a book. I say I am scared of busting and the dealer turns a four, then a two (I know he wanted to say something about my getting 18 but there was no time) and then she pulled a seven. He shakes his head and I tell him about female intuition especially since the dealer would have hit 21 had I hit.
Later in bad shoe, TC-4, I have 9 against dealer 4 and just hit instead of doubling. He shakes his head as I get a 2 and then a 7, so I explain to him about Zen Blackjack and that you must become one with the shoe. It is never the flow, always the shoe.
Of course not every non BS move I made worked so he had his moments but after staying on another 16 and a 15 (lost one of them) he finally left the table and had the nerve to tell me that I was ruining the "flow of the cards" for everyone else. I know he lost and felt bad about that but I was up about 4,000 and just had to tell him that I was not playing for everyone else. In the real world I am an engineer so I believe in the math not the flow, but I like the image of being at one with the shoe.
 
Great story Victoria.... keep it up and keep contributing to the site- just curious, how many indicies have you learned (+6 to -6?) and what count do you use? Any wonging in and out?

FLA Player
 

Ed Tice

Member
Nice going!

This makes me curious what you other guys and gals do in this situation? If a ploppy corrects me on some things (stand 16 v. 10), I usually claim to be chicken or something and say sorry.

But Ive had dealers ignore my gesture and ask if I am sure about a particular play. If its a double I might say to them, oh well I already put the money give it to me now. But it its something like hitting 13 vs. 3 in a negative count, I usually thank them for the info and decline the hit, because I just dont want the attention. But I know I am losing significant EV in this.

I think I am overly concerned about taking heat, since I like to be welcome in the casino, so I play very conservatively. But if I were professional, maybe Id be more aggressive.

Ed
 

LV Bear

Administrator
Worthless dealer advice

But it its something like hitting 13 vs. 3 in a negative count, I usually thank them for the info and decline the hit, because I just dont want the attention.

Ignore dealer advice. It is frequently wrong. Forgot about what the dealer thinks of you. He/she probably hates you anyway.

Ignoring dealer advice won't get any extra attention.

The more you play, the more callous you will become about the reactions and feelings of others in the casino. That's a good thing, because then you won't waste time or energy worrying about anyone but yourself, which is the way it should be in the casino.
 

Victoria

Well-Known Member
I use the HiLo, though I learned OmegaII, I have a very simple but important problem with it. For whatever reason I can use high low, count correctly and still maintain the talkitive girl type image. That is the biggest part of my cover in my opinion but using something else and I feel like they will see how hard I am working. Sacrificing a little to feel comfortable, be natural and actually enjoy yourself is something worth it to me. I also so get along well with most dealers, pit types and even some of those helpful ploppys.
I wong out often, go speak to a friend at a machine or another table, hit the ladies room or sometimes just take a break. Wong in only occassionly.
Anyway, the story is great because I had a real good session but like everyone else I have had a ton of sessions where I lost big and the ploppys just knew they were right.
 

SammyBoy

Well-Known Member
Great Advice!

Most of the places I play Ploppies get mad even if you do play basic strategy. I no longer worry about them because the truth is they will get mad when they are losing no matter what you do. Make the right play.
 

Victoria

Well-Known Member
To the Mayor

I am new to the board but read one of your earlier posts and forgot to mention in this thread something you might enjoy. It all happened at that place I do not like. The Chumash.
 

The Mayor

Well-Known Member
Re: To the Mayor

Cool ... drop them a postcard from somewhere on your travels and mention that you beat them big, care of "The Mayor" :cool:

Thanks for your story, I appreciate the strength of who you are.

--Mayor
 

eyesfor21

Well-Known Member
Super story V-

These crazy lousy players are a joke for sure.
I had some dope yelling because he said I was cutting
the cards near the top, and said I should always cut
near the bottom, never the top. He continued to lose and blame
me for his loses.

UNREAL/
just when you think you seen it all...
 

Ed Tice

Member
Re: Worthless dealer advice

I already dont care what others at the table think about me.

I play for low stakes so maybe thats why I think differently than all of the high-rollers here. Comps are a big part of my EV so if I get negative attention from the pit, it seems that it is costing me real EV.

I do want to be welcome in the casinos because it is much more fun to play that way. If I was a pro, I guess I wouldn't care.

It always seems to be that the dealer/pit boss are considered the enemies by the counters. And I guess at high stakes they are.

I once was playing conservatively in a shoe game with a 1:8 spread ($10 to $80). Not drawing any attention. Had a $50 bet on the table (barber pole stack of reds nonetheless). Won a hand and the count went up. I said "I'm doing well, I ought to just press that up." The dealer who had been very frietndly to me said "You dont want to do that, because I'd have ot make a checks play call." I decided to press only half of it for $75 and tossed him a $5 tip.

I really dont know what he was thinking so I tend to assume the best in people and judged that he knew exactly what I was doing and was just helping me out.

So I guess when I hear a dealer (who knows correct BS, amazing the number who dont) say "are you sure you want to do that" as he ignores me gesture for a BS deviation I tend to think that maybe he knows exactly what I'm doing and doesn't want me to make the deviation because he might be required to draw attention to it. Or perhaps he knows I am counting and doesn't understand that counters deviate from BS and is trying to help me. Or perhaps he knows nothing and is just trying to help me. But when I find somebody who I think might know what I'm doing and doesn't care, I sure dont want to rock the boat.

Maybe I'm wrong here, though. Or maybe it just doesn't happen when you are using other than reds.

Ed
 

Victoria

Well-Known Member
Radar, No I like to talk at the table. I just get tired sometimes of you helpful guys (that do not know what you are talking about) and really do not like another playing verbally pointing out that I am deviating from BS. So we can talk about the game, casinos, how the session is going (I lie) but please do not cross the line. Hey, talking plenty and counting at the same time I think is my cover.
 

Radar

Active Member
OOOppps, you know how when you write things in emails it comes across not quite exactly as you intended? Well, that's what happened here. I was trying to be a little faciteous and should have put <g> next to my post...

I applaud you...and, yes, remind me NOT to sit next to you <g>....
 

Radar

Active Member
Opppss

Please look at my response to Victoria...my post came out, not quite like I intended...

(I can only hope that I learn to handle myself HALF as well as she does)
 

Rob McGarvey

Well-Known Member
Re: Ploopy's a woman's prespective *LINK* *PIC*

"Hey, talking plenty and counting at the same time I think is my cover."

Smart. I like to get involved with the other players to make it look like I am just out for some action.

"Oh no! You got murdered guy! The dealer wants you off this table. Seriously. Let's see if we can change things around here and get rid of him first kay?"

"Face, face, face, face" YES!!

grin
 

Victoria

Well-Known Member
Rob, followed your link

and I think the section about women is true, they just should not print it. t I think that there are very few of us out there, but the world being how it is today there should be an increasing amount unless the CSM's take over.
Anyway, I have my moments but no expert here, just do not have the time to get in enough blackjack. Think I only can play between 150-175 hours this year.
 

Rob McGarvey

Well-Known Member
Re: Rob, followed your link

I was hoping that you would see and comment on that article. Thanks. I understand about time spent playing blackjack. With only 24 hours in a day, we have to spend that time in the most efficient way possible, and right now BJ isn't getting the time it deserves.
 
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