Ploppy heat times two

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rdorange

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During the same session as the post in "Worst Cards Imaginable", that I met a fellow BjInfo member, we received unsolicited comments from other players for plays we made that they thought were bad.

One play was a bs play of hitting a soft hand. It was a three or four card soft hand if I remember correct. He busted, and the ploppy (little asian woman) was all over the error! She said he should have stayed! WRONG! I can't remember if the dealer made a hand or not but he stayed out of that one.

The other play was when the dealer had a bust card showing. The count for me was way negative. I was dealt a 14. With the count so low, I had to get a small card. I hit, got a card that improved my hand, and raised the count by one, and helped to eat up some of the bad cards. The dealer proceeded to bust. Naturally, since the dealer busted, she was happy. But she made a comment, and didn't make a huge issue of it.

Typical ploppy, only recognizes the plays that hurt them.
 
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GeorgeD

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SecurityRisk said:
Watching them when you double a soft 18 is better.
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Ha yea. Had a lady once get all PO'd when I hit a soft 18. Then I split 9's vs 9 and she really flipped and left the table muttering something in Chineese that I suppose was cursing me out.
 
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AnIrishmannot2brite

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shadroch said:
I keep a foul smelling cigar handy just for situations like that.
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Good! very good.

I had this drunk join my table last night. At first I couldn't figure him for a friendly or a mean one. His older friend was sober and seemed to be cool.

Well I insisted the drunk take over my spot ay third base. I was trying to fleece this table and didn't want any distractions.

As it turned out the drunk was just a lively fellow and we even had a good time. he and his buddy even called me a "great player" and proceeded to drain the table. they were mimicking my bets and thus the table drew down some decent numbers.

It was the older guy who made some dumb moves. I usually want to avoid giving advice but i had to twice mildly advise him to NOT split a pair of fives. He just wanted to split anything and see what would happen.

Then after seeing me split tens (in very positive count against dealers six) he tries to do it on the next shoe with two queens in a low count. Well schidt what can i say? I've done it and now he wants to do it. Except that the dealers up card is a friggin TEN!

He splits and gets an eleven which he doubles to 21 and receives another ten on the other split queen. I had a tough time of talking him out of splitting THAT card!

Dealer holds at eighteen and the table wins. Both the old dude and the drunk call me a "genius". I hustle then out of there kinda quick.

Again, I didn't give advice except when asked. However i almost had to argue with the old dude to get him to see the reasoning behind my advice that he not continuing splitting his tens.
 
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MAZ

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Splitting 10's is a bad idea for most. Usually its done too early in an advantage. What was the count in which you did it? Also you set your self up to be scrutinized when you do it, and then afterwards when you don't in a less advantageous situation. Its technically a + ev situation when done at the right time, but if you want long term results, especially if you're not a traveling type player leave those 10's alone. Its only + ev if you are allowed to play.
 
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AnIrishmannot2brite

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MAZ said:
Splitting 10's is a bad idea for most. Usually its done too early in an advantage. What was the count in which you did it? Also you set your self up to be scrutinized when you do it, and then afterwards when you don't in a less advantageous situation. Its technically a + ev situation when done at the right time, but if you want long term results, especially if you're not a traveling type player leave those 10's alone. Its only + ev if you are allowed to play.
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Low stakes game. TC was through the roof (think it was +6). Near end of a big shoe with few players.

Now if indeed heat avoidance was a goal I'd say it could be countered by splitting tens once in a while on a low wager. Again the table limit was in the low hundreds. So there weren't going to be any real numbers of big chips leaving the table. I seriously doubt there was any scrutiny.

Now if i were to go back to the joint every Friday and fleece them that would be another matter.

In a way i think small time counters help the gaming industry: My play brought more ploppies over to the table because they thought it was "hot".
 
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EasyRhino

EasyRhino

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rdorange said:
The other play was when the dealer had a bust card showing. The count for me was way negative. I was dealt a 14. With the count so low, I had to get a small card.
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How bad was the count? It would have to be pretty damn negative to justify a hit.
 
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rdorange

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Hit with neg count

EasyRhino said:
How bad was the count? It would have to be pretty damn negative to justify a hit.
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Can't say for sure now, but the way I play:
DD, using hi-opt 1, start new shoe count at +6, current count had to have been around -2 or -3. More than 1/2 the shoe gone because after that hand I sat out the rest of the hands.
 
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EasyRhino

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Well, I don't speak Hi Opt, but Wong's book gives indices for Hi-lo to stand with 14 from between -3 (vs 2) to -7 (vs 5). So I hope your wongout point is somewhere before -7.
 
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SilentBob420BMFJ

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AnIrishmannot2brite said:
He splits and gets an eleven which he doubles to 21 and receives another ten on the other split queen.
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perhaps i misunderstand, but if he splits his 10s, how can he get eleven? unless of course your saying he doubled down on his soft 21, which would be a shock

AnIrishmannot2brite said:
Now if i were to go back to the joint every Friday and fleece them that would be another matter.
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i actually dont think it would.. if i remember correctly, your top bet is under $100? once a week isnt enuf to get recognition i dont think, unless of course you are very recognizable and betting $100s, spreading large, and/or wonging
 
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