suicyco maniac
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I would have taken his money If I didnt someone else would...But I am a greedy heartless SOB. All my time in casinos has hardened me. Good to see you did the right thing though Eliot... 
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Rob McGarvey
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My Hero
I was at the late great Binion's and there was a guy there so pissed he had to hold himself up with the blackjack table he was playing. He was stacking reds into the rafters, and winning bags of reds from the table. Later that night he was bagging greens the same way. They had to carry him to his comped room and his greens to the cage for him. How could I help him? I picked his droped chips up for him and helped him stack them, and told him the proper play for each play ala the count.
There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity and you seemed to walk that line this time and fell on the right side of the fence. I'd be a bit more cautious Eliot. It's one thing to get nailed defending your family, and something totally different for a few bucks, even of a drunken stranger who will lose it that way or another. Your actions were noble and worth bosting of, but I suggest you be more careful.
I was at the late great Binion's and there was a guy there so pissed he had to hold himself up with the blackjack table he was playing. He was stacking reds into the rafters, and winning bags of reds from the table. Later that night he was bagging greens the same way. They had to carry him to his comped room and his greens to the cage for him. How could I help him? I picked his droped chips up for him and helped him stack them, and told him the proper play for each play ala the count.
There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity and you seemed to walk that line this time and fell on the right side of the fence. I'd be a bit more cautious Eliot. It's one thing to get nailed defending your family, and something totally different for a few bucks, even of a drunken stranger who will lose it that way or another. Your actions were noble and worth bosting of, but I suggest you be more careful.
Vigilance
My wife's reaction when she read the podium was that without a moral point, the story was simply vigilatiism. She inspired the penultimate paragraph, about the question we each face in such situations -- which occur in life far more than we may realize. It is our obligation as citizens to both fight against those laws that are immoral and unjust, and to support those laws we believe in that are moral. Both sides of this apply to the advantage community as well.
As advantage players, we face an immoral and unethical adversary (the casino), we are fighting for our rights to play the games by the rules offered, without an invasion of our personal privacy. And, in the singular instance described in the podium, I was able to wage the good fight from the other direction.
Life provides many circumstances where we can stand on our own moral high-ground, righteousness is easy. It is important to choose our battles wisely.
--Mayor
My wife's reaction when she read the podium was that without a moral point, the story was simply vigilatiism. She inspired the penultimate paragraph, about the question we each face in such situations -- which occur in life far more than we may realize. It is our obligation as citizens to both fight against those laws that are immoral and unjust, and to support those laws we believe in that are moral. Both sides of this apply to the advantage community as well.
As advantage players, we face an immoral and unethical adversary (the casino), we are fighting for our rights to play the games by the rules offered, without an invasion of our personal privacy. And, in the singular instance described in the podium, I was able to wage the good fight from the other direction.
Life provides many circumstances where we can stand on our own moral high-ground, righteousness is easy. It is important to choose our battles wisely.
--Mayor
My Thoughts as Well
You did a good thing. It's hard to say what I would or would not have done since I was not actually there, but I probably would have said something to the floor. I doubt very seriously I would have called Gaming Control, unless they had really pissed me off. I generally try to mind my own business, but I have a weakness in that I like to help people. I often cause myself alot of problems because of this.
You did a good thing. It's hard to say what I would or would not have done since I was not actually there, but I probably would have said something to the floor. I doubt very seriously I would have called Gaming Control, unless they had really pissed me off. I generally try to mind my own business, but I have a weakness in that I like to help people. I often cause myself alot of problems because of this.
zengrifter
Banned
Too bad you didn't...
... do it during an episode of Casino! zg
... do it during an episode of Casino! zg
That occured to me
It would have been great to get this on film and broadcast nationally -- it would have been 100% worthwhile ...
Speaking of national TV, today at 4PM Fox Sports is having their next installment of the poker tournament at the Plaza on June 6. I was there at the final heads-up match. If they broadcast the conclusion today, look for yours truly.
--Mayor
It would have been great to get this on film and broadcast nationally -- it would have been 100% worthwhile ...
Speaking of national TV, today at 4PM Fox Sports is having their next installment of the poker tournament at the Plaza on June 6. I was there at the final heads-up match. If they broadcast the conclusion today, look for yours truly.
--Mayor
I admire your courage, but I do not know if I agree with you. I would feel better if you had stopped a drunk blackjack player from losing to the casino. Then I would know you were right.
It is easy for blackjack playrs to feel good about money taken from rich, nasty casino, but all poker players take advantage of their brains to take money from less smart people. This is poker.
When Bill Gates was in town for Comdex, big poker players tried to get him in their game so they could take his money, too, but he wouldn't play with them. Bill is too smart.
How do you draw line between drunk poker player and bad poker player? Or between bad poker player and good player who got angry and now plays bad (tilted)? I wonder what you think?
It is easy for blackjack playrs to feel good about money taken from rich, nasty casino, but all poker players take advantage of their brains to take money from less smart people. This is poker.
When Bill Gates was in town for Comdex, big poker players tried to get him in their game so they could take his money, too, but he wouldn't play with them. Bill is too smart.
How do you draw line between drunk poker player and bad poker player? Or between bad poker player and good player who got angry and now plays bad (tilted)? I wonder what you think?
Al Rogers
BJ21.com Administrator
Similar situation at Horseshoe - I was later ejected for calling GCB *LINK*
Congratulations to The Mayor for standing up for what is right.
We had a lengthy discussion on BJ21.com Green Chip about the similar incident reported in the newspaper story below.
My June 7 Green Chip post follows:
Saturday evening, while I was walking through the Horseshoe (I had not played or watched any of the games), I was approached by three security guards. One of the guards asked me, "Haven't you been '86'ed' from this property?" I replied no, and asked why he thought I should have been "86'd." The guard replied, "After you called Gaming a couple of weeks ago about that drunk, the shift manager you complained about told us that if you ever return, we have to tell you to leave the property."
They were polite, and seemed to be embarrassed by what they were doing. There was no attempt to "backroom" me, no demand for identification, and no threats made. They did not read the trespass act to me. I promptly complied with their request, and left the premises. They did not follow me to the door.
I am still waiting for Harrah's response. I doubt if there will be one.
The Mayor wrote:
As advantage players, we face an immoral and unethical adversary (the casino) ...
Well said.
Congratulations to The Mayor for standing up for what is right.
We had a lengthy discussion on BJ21.com Green Chip about the similar incident reported in the newspaper story below.
My June 7 Green Chip post follows:
Saturday evening, while I was walking through the Horseshoe (I had not played or watched any of the games), I was approached by three security guards. One of the guards asked me, "Haven't you been '86'ed' from this property?" I replied no, and asked why he thought I should have been "86'd." The guard replied, "After you called Gaming a couple of weeks ago about that drunk, the shift manager you complained about told us that if you ever return, we have to tell you to leave the property."
They were polite, and seemed to be embarrassed by what they were doing. There was no attempt to "backroom" me, no demand for identification, and no threats made. They did not read the trespass act to me. I promptly complied with their request, and left the premises. They did not follow me to the door.
I am still waiting for Harrah's response. I doubt if there will be one.
The Mayor wrote:
As advantage players, we face an immoral and unethical adversary (the casino) ...
Well said.
Rob McGarvey
Well-Known Member
Sounds
just like the guy I saw there. He was a reg customer and got pretty tanked while playing. It's sad to see people with so many personality problems like alkie ism and gambling, and the vultures that continue to allow them to kill themselves.
just like the guy I saw there. He was a reg customer and got pretty tanked while playing. It's sad to see people with so many personality problems like alkie ism and gambling, and the vultures that continue to allow them to kill themselves.