Potential for heat

[Virgin Counter]

OK, I am planning trip to Vegas midweek for 2-3 days. My goal is play 6 deck shoes using KO preferred with a 1-10 spread. I hope to play the lower level tables with a spread of $3-30 or $5-50 at places such as the IP, Plaza, Excalibur, etc.

Win or lose, what is the potential for heat at the 6 deckers with my level of play? Do the bosses watch the 6 deckers closely? Would my bet spread movement be an obvious clue that I am counting down the 6 decks?

I want to enjoy myself and have a good time, not worry about getting kicked out or get sweated out by some boss. Any perspective on this issue would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

What's Wong-out point for KO, 6D?

Hey do you know how to Wong out? It's the best way to make money on a shoe. You just leave when the count goes bad, go to the next table or the next casino. This protects you from some heat too because you're always moving around. I don't know how to Wong out with unbalanced counts but I'm sure somebody here can help you with the math details.

 

[Felix Rue-de-Guerre]

No way

First off, If you are only going 1-10 make sure you wong out the negatives. -1 is best, but for sure by -2.

I will eat a fried egg off the floor of the Gold Spike if you get any attention playing silver and red 1-10 in a shoe game. I just plain wouldn't worry one tiny bit.

Also, hit McGerald's while you are downtown. They have a good shoe game in line with your criterion. 6-decks $3 minimum, dealt down to about 1 deck.

Why not single-deckers??

-Felix

 

[Felix Rue-de-Guerre]

Ooops!

Didn't notice you are using KO. But find out when to properly Wong and then do it!

-Felix

 

[creatureman]

exit strat KO says

exit at -22 with 1d in the tray. -17 2 deck. -12 3d in the tray. this is useing -20 as a irc.

 

[CanKen]

Re: KO Wong-out

Almost any question I have seen posted about using KO is answered in the
book by Vancura and Fuchs. It is inexpensive, (about $12.50 US, Amazon), and certainly very good value for anyone intending to use the system.
It is well written and includes Kelly-based proportional betting progressions and strategy indices for 1,2,6,8 decks.
Exit strategy, (wong-out), values for 6 and 8 decks are given in Chapter 8, "Enhancing Profits". The authors say "The proper use of an exit strategy will nearly double your win-rate per hand."
While "wonging-in" may often not be practical, I would say that judicious use of an exit strategy is a necessity for playing 6 or 8 decks.

 

[Virgin Counter]

Single Deck quest.

I may play a few single deckers here and there. Mostly I want to work on the countdown on the 6 deck game which I find challenging -- especially living in Southern CA where it's mostly the 6 deckers at the IJ's (Injin Joints).

 

[Automatic Monkey]

You might want a different count

Although KO has some pretty good parameters for shoe games, you might find it unsatisfactory for single deck. The nice high BC of KO is very helpful when you are playing the huge spreads that you use in shoe, but in SD you won't be able to get away with spreading that much, so PE becomes more important, which is why most SD players use HO2 or APC or something like that.

 

[john]

What do you do about face down cards?

I've been thinking about attacking a single deck game. I've already been hitting double deck. I just wondered what you do about the face down cards or do you try to play heads up? Also, Automatic, there aren't any double or single deck around your location is there ? I checked and didn't see much.