Problem with Hoyle Casino counter

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Splitz

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I turn the counter on in Hoyle Casino so I can check with it, but every now and then my count does not match with it! At first I thought it was my mistake... but it kept happening where I would remember what I start a round with, then I would look over the cards at the end of the round and it still wouldn't add up!

ok, 1st hand of the shoe (so RC started @ 0) end of the hand, the game's RC had 0 and i had +1...
here are the cards

1st person: J J
Me : 5 7 3 6
3rd person: 9 6 K ; 9 J
4th person: 8 9
Dealer : 7 9 3

... how did the game get a 0 RC after this? Are they using a different system than hi-lo? Most of the time my count matches theirs!
 
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Rob McGarvey

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Hoyle uses Hi Opt I so 3456 are +1 and 10JQK are -2, and I think you are looking for the running count, and it is giving you the true count, which would not change or match the RC unless you are playing single deck.
 
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Splitz

Member
I am looking for the RC. and on the count thing it gives both RC and TC... and it gives an Ace side count too. maybe it is just messed up.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

Banned
The main problem with Hoyle...

... is that its an inferior app - the better ones include SmartCards, NeUltraMC, CasinoVerite, BJ678. zg
 
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Eric Lambi

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Re: The main problem with Hoyle...

I have this program (the most recent version) and use it frequently. It uses the Hi-Lo, so you're count should be correct. I've also noticed what I think are some flaws with its counting, but I've only noticed problems when splitting cards. It seems to me at least that it ALWAYS loses count when you split a hand. I've always just assumed their QA couldn't be so bad as to miss something like that and maybe I'm just crazy, but there are other bugs in the game too, so maybe not.
 
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Rob McGarvey

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I'll have to take a look at it during the holidays. I normally do not use their count or play decisions, and use my own betting strats. What are you trying to use Hoyle for? Are you trying to learn the Hi Opt I count or basic strategy?
 
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Splitz

Member
Re: The main problem with Hoyle...

hmm.. that might be it then! because the example i gave above had splitting of 9's... that's wierd.
I use their counter to 1.) check my count
and 2.) see the TC... since I can't see the discard tray on that game
 
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Rob McGarvey

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Read the docs. I think it uses Hi Low. I have another program Dr. Blakjack that uses Hi Opt I. I haven't used either for years.
 
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Rob McGarvey

Well-Known Member
Re: The main problem with Hoyle...

You have to watch the shoe to determine how many decks have been dealt. Don't use the program to check your count, you have it down. Are you using departure indices or playing basic strategy?
 
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Splitz

Member
Re: The main problem with Hoyle...

"watch the shoe?" do you mean keep track of rounds played or just see how depleted the shoe is?

also, I am just doing basic strat right now. I wrote down the Il18 but then I found out that John May messed somein up.. I think that was you that told me.
Anyway, I don't want to learn the wrong thing and then re-learn it.. so I am waiting until my copy of Blackjack attack (by Don S.) comes in from Amazon.. which would prolly be thurs. then I can learn the variances! :)
 
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Rob McGarvey

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Re: The main problem with Hoyle... *LINK*

"watch the shoe?" do you mean keep track of rounds played or just see how depleted the shoe is?

#Yes, I used to play single deck at 50% pen, and it was easy to do.

also, I am just doing basic strat right now. I wrote down the Il18 but then I found out that John May messed somein up.. I think that was you that told me.
Anyway, I don't want to learn the wrong thing and then re-learn it.. so I am waiting until my copy of Blackjack attack (by Don S.) comes in from Amazon.. which would prolly be thurs. then I can learn the variances! :)

#That book is more for people that have a good understanding of the game. The Ill 18 are there, and I took a quick look for BS and didn't see it sticking out. Wongs Basic BJ has great coverage of BS in its many forms. You can get the Ill 18 pretty much anywhere on the net. I'm sure the Mayor has it here someplace. I have it at my site in the Flash Card Library. BJA is a great book, don't get me wrong. It is not a good place to start your reading about BJ, but it will grow on you as your career gets longer and stronger.
 
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