Question about Atlantic City

rogue1

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We're going to be there in a couple of weeks-is it impossible to find a $5.00 table on the week-end? Is it possible to find one on a weekday?
Thanks.
 

shadroch

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Borgata has at least one $5 table open at all times,two on weekends. But getting a seat is another story.I've been told that they sometimes open $5
tables in the poker room at Ballys,but I've never seen one.
Other than that,you can occasionally find $5 Spanish21,6-5 single deck,or Superfun21 at the Taj on off-hours-say 6AM on a Tuesday.
Everything but the Borgata is 8 decks and some houses are now hitting on soft 17s.
Its pretty freakin dismal.
 

shadroch

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Thanks,its been awhile since I've looked around down there.I'm still in mourning over The Sands closing.

Which casinos are now hitting S17?
Let me quess....Harrahs properties?
 

Kasi

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shadroch said:
Thanks,its been awhile since I've looked around down there.I'm still in mourning over The Sands closing.

Which casinos are now hitting S17?
Let me quess....Harrahs properties?
Was Harrah's recently bought out by a group of private investors? I was wondering if that is what I read somewhere.

Or maybe still pending?

Just wondering if all these Harrah's changes are part of new ownership or old ownership.
 

Kasi

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EasyRhino said:
old ownership, the private equity guys haven't really had a chance to change anything yet.
Thx - maybe there's hope yet lol.

But ur saying the deal has been completed, right?
 

shadroch

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The deal is pretty much done,but its not sealed yet.I wouldn't look for any improvements.I'm imagining these guys bought Harrahs more for the worth of the real estate than the games.What is possible is that they may sell a few of the properties(Caesars?) to knock down the insane nut they are going to have combining all the ongoing expenses with their equity loans.
 

Kasi

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shadroch said:
The deal is pretty much done,but its not sealed yet.I wouldn't look for any improvements.I'm imagining these guys bought Harrahs more for the worth of the real estate than the games.What is possible is that they may sell a few of the properties(Caesars?) to knock down the insane nut they are going to have combining all the ongoing expenses with their equity loans.

Thx. Sounds about right.

This 6-5 crap on 8 deck shoes has me worried it will become the norm just because they can get away with it.

I don't ask for much but that would make me stop playing.
 
Kasi said:
Thx. Sounds about right.

This 6-5 crap on 8 deck shoes has me worried it will become the norm just because they can get away with it.

I don't ask for much but that would make me stop playing.
They might try to make 6:5 the standard. But before that I see them just phasing out blackjack. Why even bother dealing 6:5 when you have people lined up 3 deep at carnival games with a 3% edge? Today's typical gambler just plain doesn't care about winning.

But on the positive side it does look like the Harrah's conglomerate is selling off properties. More owners = more choices = better games available.
 

dacium

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I don't know, I think you underestimate the hold blackjack gets. Watch how many people can't even get the most basics of basic strategy write (not hitting to 17 if dealer 7 or higher, not hitting to 12 if 6 or lower). Most players give a house edge of 5% to 10% and with repeated small bets so quickly, the hold ends up being extremely large for blackjack.
 

21forme

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Automatic Monkey said:
As does Trump Plaza. As does Hilton. As does Taj Mahal.
I checked out Taj twice in the last 2 weeks. Only 6D games I saw there were in the high roller pit with $100 min. I even asked a PC and she confirmed it. Hmm...
 

aslan

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Taj Mahal

The lowest table I saw at the Taj was $10, and this was on a Tuesday. When evening came they raised the $10-dollar tables to $15. Around 3 AM they reinstated one $10-table. All the games were eight deck, except sometimes they run a single deck table.

When I was in Reno, $5 tables abounded at the Nugget!
 
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Kasi

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Automatic Monkey said:
They might try to make 6:5 the standard. But before that I see them just phasing out blackjack. Why even bother dealing 6:5 when you have people lined up 3 deep at carnival games with a 3% edge? Today's typical gambler just plain doesn't care about winning.

But on the positive side it does look like the Harrah's conglomerate is selling off properties. More owners = more choices = better games available.

Don't pay much attention to me - the glass is always half-empty for me.

I doubt if they will phase it out just because they will make more overall money on food/room offering lousy Bj than they would make with no BJ at all and fewer people.

Once the rules of BJ get to 2-3%, what's the difference anyway? Guess there will still be craps or baccarat lol. Now there's a skillful game.
 

Kasi

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dacium said:
I don't know, I think you underestimate the hold blackjack gets. Watch how many people can't even get the most basics of basic strategy write (not hitting to 17 if dealer 7 or higher, not hitting to 12 if 6 or lower). Most players give a house edge of 5% to 10% and with repeated small bets so quickly, the hold ends up being extremely large for blackjack.
I've never understood the value of hold. To me it is utterly meaningless.

And I don't think most players, even really, really bad players, play at a 5-10% disadvantage.

It's really not possible to play that badlly. I hope lol.
 

shadroch

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Kasi said:
I've never understood the value of hold. To me it is utterly meaningless.

And I don't think most players, even really, really bad players, play at a 5-10% disadvantage.

It's really not possible to play that badlly. I hope lol.

You are joking,no? Most players I see(okay,a lot of them) lose their whole buy-in,not just 10%
 

biggamejames

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Automatic Monkey said:
They might try to make 6:5 the standard. But before that I see them just phasing out blackjack. Why even bother dealing 6:5 when you have people lined up 3 deep at carnival games with a 3% edge? Today's typical gambler just plain doesn't care about winning.

But on the positive side it does look like the Harrah's conglomerate is selling off properties. More owners = more choices = better games available.
They will never phase out black jack. If they could do that they would have done that a long time ago.

The game actually brings in more money than they are willing to accept. But casinos are greedy little f@ckers that do not want to give up a single penny even to that small 5% of AP who make money at the game.

I believe in the 80s and 90s when those famous black jack counting crews were common in AC, people were actually buying books about counting and reading them right at the table.

Guess what, casinos were still reaping huge profits and have never ever suffered losses even with the small dents made by proffessional counting crews that have surfaced over time.


Same thing goes for sports betting in VEgas. Its completely useless to the Casinos and they would rather do away with it because the floor space it eats up is simply nuts compared to the the money they would make if they replaced all those sports books with slot machines. Sports betting is not even 1% of their yearly profits yet, pretty much every casino has floor space that caters to this market only because the guy next door has it...


Blackjack is here to stay.
 

Kasi

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shadroch said:
You are joking,no? Most players I see(okay,a lot of them) lose their whole buy-in,not just 10%
Not really. How do u define "hold percentage"? Maybe vs "House Advantage"?

I think it's just some term bean-counters invented to measure how many chips are left at the end of a shift vs how many chips were purchased during the shift vs how many chips were there at the start of a shift. I don't think even they know what they think are measuring.

Nothing at all do with house advantage.
 
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