Question about chips

[dangeroso]

I have a question about chips (checks). It seems like it would be very easy to counterfeit chips, especially in Blackjack where you could theoretically stack a real chip on top of a fake one. I have never seen a dealer examine a chip.

Note, I am not advocating counterfeiting chips, or anything. I'm just curious why casinos aren't generally checking for this. Have you every heard of this being an issue for a casino?

 

[SPX]

I know that it's definitely happened. Hypothetically, I imagine it would be fairly easy to get away with if you were good at manufacturing fake chips, especially at the smaller casinos. Like you say, it's not like the dealers go out of their way to examine them. They just throw them out and snatch them up.

 

[shadroch]

Its my understanding that each chip is punishable by several years in prison.
Possesion of a dozen chips would be near life. Not worth the risk,in my opinion.

 

[dangeroso]

Its my understanding that each chip is punishable by several years in prison.
Possesion of a dozen chips would be near life. Not worth the risk,in my opinion.

No doubt. I wouldn't think of actually trying it.

I was thinking more in terms of why casinos don't appear to be more concerned with checking the chips.

 

[Ferretnparrot]

I have heard that combination of the chips lightwieghtness and the inlays of other colors of material make it difficult to produce them.

I bought in with a 1k chip once and it was studied before they broke it for me, it was kinda a beat down place though.

With the dawning of rfid chips, it will be very easy to find fake ones as they probibly wont register

 

[godeem23]

I have a question about chips (checks). It seems like it would be very easy to counterfeit chips, especially in Blackjack where you could theoretically stack a real chip on top of a fake one. I have never seen a dealer examine a chip.

Note, I am not advocating counterfeiting chips, or anything. I'm just curious why casinos aren't generally checking for this. Have you every heard of this being an issue for a casino?

I believe there was a Breaking Vegas episode on this. The culprit was eventually arrested.

 

[EasyRhino]

The Breaking Vegas guy was making slot tokens (he was a tool and die maker).

One local casino (Barona) changed their chips a year or two ago. the purple ($500) chips were taken out of circulation long before the other chips. I heard a rumor that it was because there was a chip theft. I never verified that story though.

 

[aslan]

The real thing

There was a guy who counterfeited chips. He made a pefect replica. After years of play they suspected he was couterfeiting. He was arrested one time and the casino sent his chips to the manufacturer. The manufacturer reported back that they were legit. At least that's how the story goes. Believe it or not.

 

[Mimosine]

rfid tags, in theory could put an end to this -if and only if they are encrypted.

otherwise you could just "scan and read" an unencrypted chip and put the right code on your fake chips.

 

[zengrifter]

rfid tags, in theory could put an end to this -if and only if they are encrypted.

ZAP RFIDs. zg

Here's an RFID-ZAPPER made from a cheap camera -​

WEAPONS: The RFID zapper​

Radio frequency IDs (RFIDs), small electronic chips that share information when scanned, are rapidly becoming an essential part of global supply management. In order to correctly route and track items from inception to purchase, these chips are attached to packaging and increasingly the products themselves. ​

The intentional disabling of these chips can cause supply chain disruption. The best method is to HERF (high energy radio frequency, usually microwaves) the chips using a small transmitter (read about high power home made microwave weapons for herfing). The German branch (privacy activists) of the global guerrilla innovation network has developed a simple solution (Archive copy) that converts a standard film camera into a short range RFID zapper.​

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I have a question about chips (checks). It seems like it would be very easy to counterfeit chips, especially in Blackjack where you could theoretically stack a real chip on top of a fake one. I have never seen a dealer examine a chip.

Note, I am not advocating counterfeiting chips, or anything. I'm just curious why casinos aren't generally checking for this. Have you every heard of this being an issue for a casino?

Yes. Foxwoods in CT had a counterfeiting problem. I learned this because their neighboring casino Mohegan Sun stopped honoring Foxwoods cheques. Foxwoods also changed their cheques a couple of years ago and I was in the difficult position of having to cash in a few K in ratholes, in the old style cheques. Good thing I am able to use The Force!

If you have queer cheques, mixing them in with real ones is the smart way to go. Just a few at a time. Ideally, you don't want to have more than one queer cheque in your possession at any time.