Question for Fred Renzey

[rogue1]

If I'm playing with a team should my backcounter call in my BP at a count of 20 using Kiss III?

 

[Sonny]

If I'm playing with a team should my backcounter call in my BP at a count of 20 using Kiss III?

The count to call in your BP(s) will probably depend on the game, the number of spotters, the number of BPs, the BP’s bet spread, and several other factors.

-Sonny-

 

[rogue1]

thanks Sonny

If the BP's bet spread was real big then would we wait for a higher count to call him in than if his bet spread were smaller? thank you!

 

[shadroch]

Why would the BP have any sort of spread? Just let him bang out big bets and split.
Btw- I'll be trying this for the first time Monday-Tuesday.

 

[Sonny]

If the BP's bet spread was real big then would we wait for a higher count to call him in than if his bet spread were smaller? thank you!

Just the opposite. If the BPs spread is big then he can come in early. Since he has a very small minimum bet he can play at counts that only give him a small advantage. If he is using a small spread then he will have to wait until he has a bigger advantage before placing his bets.

For example, if the BP is spreading $20-$400 (which sort of defeats the purpose of using a BP) then he can make those $20 bets at the first sign of an advantage even if it is only 0.2%. But if he is spreading $100-$400 then he doesn’t want to bet $100 when he only has a 0.2% advantage so he waits until a higher count. If he is flat betting $400 then he will probably wait for a pretty decent sized advantage (maybe 1-2%) before jumping in. Don Schlesinger talks about finding optimal entry points in his book.

-Sonny-

 

[rogue1]

thank you Sonny

 

[zengrifter]

If the BP's bet spread was real big then would we wait for a higher count to call him in than if his bet spread were smaller?

Just the opposite, but the BP only needs a 1-4 (or less). zg

 

[Renzey]

If I'm playing with a team should my backcounter call in my BP at a count of 20 using Kiss III?

In the first 1.5 to 2 decks of the shoe, a running count of "20" is equal to a true count of +1.75, and you'll have an advantage of just about 0.50% in a typical S17, DAS game. I think that's a good point to jump in at with a 1 unit BP wager, and spread it up to 4 BP units at the big counts.

If you want to show less spread, bring him in at "21" (+2.0 true/+0.65% EV) and spread 1-to-3.