Question for Rob M.
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Rob McGarvey
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It was made into an election issue a few years ago, yes or no to casino TO. It was a way to takes peoples eyes off the real election issue, and now the city is paying for it. The province forced the city to amalgamate from a batch of smaller cities into a Mega City, and can force a casino here at any time. We do have slots at the Woodbine Raceway, which is within the city, so I find that ridiculous since we all know slots are the biggest rip off in the gaming word. Our old Downsview air force base was a target for one, which would have been spectacular for me because it is 5 min from where I am now. I will be moving to Brampton which will put me closer to the Brantford casino, and I hope to hook up with "DeepNet Dan" to get some type of small scale tracking team going over there. If things work out with that plan we might add him to our single pass shuffle team when and if we go back after that game.
I would like to see on included in our new water front plan, but it looks like they are being too left wing when it suits them, and a total rip off when it suits them.
I would like to see on included in our new water front plan, but it looks like they are being too left wing when it suits them, and a total rip off when it suits them.
Rob McGarvey
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You live in Toronto?
Detroit Casinos
MGM has gone to all 8 deck shoes (and h17 on the lower limit upstairs tables).
Last time I was there the pen was awful with 2 - 2.5 decks cut off. All shufflemasters but no csm. I've never seen anything less than a $10 table there.
Greektown has gone all 8 deck shoes or csm but pen has stayed the same since the change at about 1.5 decks cut off. Occasionally there are $5 limits there, usually on the morning shift (4am - 12 Noon). Otherwise you can usually find $10 at about any other time.
Motor City has become my place to play with all 6 deck shoes (about 4 carnival spin the wheel tables dealt from csm).
2nd Floor, Pit 1 is all hand shuffle. Pit 2 is all shufflemaster.
3rd floor (non smoking) is currently hand shuffle as they are using it for training and refreshing dealer skills so the pit spends more time with their eyes on the dealer than the players. 3rd floor usually open from about 1pm to 3am.
1st floor is all shufflemaster. Pit open Friday through Sunday evenings. Usually open a few tables donstairs early on Sunday at about 4pm with $5 tables and a $5 craps table.
Pen is about 1.5 decks cut off but check the dealers often you can get a deck or less cut. They guarantee $10 BJ 24 hours a day somewhere in the house.
Wyrstle
MGM has gone to all 8 deck shoes (and h17 on the lower limit upstairs tables).
Last time I was there the pen was awful with 2 - 2.5 decks cut off. All shufflemasters but no csm. I've never seen anything less than a $10 table there.
Greektown has gone all 8 deck shoes or csm but pen has stayed the same since the change at about 1.5 decks cut off. Occasionally there are $5 limits there, usually on the morning shift (4am - 12 Noon). Otherwise you can usually find $10 at about any other time.
Motor City has become my place to play with all 6 deck shoes (about 4 carnival spin the wheel tables dealt from csm).
2nd Floor, Pit 1 is all hand shuffle. Pit 2 is all shufflemaster.
3rd floor (non smoking) is currently hand shuffle as they are using it for training and refreshing dealer skills so the pit spends more time with their eyes on the dealer than the players. 3rd floor usually open from about 1pm to 3am.
1st floor is all shufflemaster. Pit open Friday through Sunday evenings. Usually open a few tables donstairs early on Sunday at about 4pm with $5 tables and a $5 craps table.
Pen is about 1.5 decks cut off but check the dealers often you can get a deck or less cut. They guarantee $10 BJ 24 hours a day somewhere in the house.
Wyrstle
Rob McGarvey
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Re: Brantford Casino
Be careful what you wish for, it may just come to pass! ;> I used to love the 99 cent breakfast they offered. Two eggs, three strips of bacon, toast with jam, a slice of tommy toe, and fried tatters. That got killed quicker than a one deck game dealt to the bottom would have! Them people out there are aweful hungry, eh? The problem with the set up there is that you can get to the food without going thru the casino.
There are only about 10 tables in the place, five on each side of the "pit." More like a seed than a pit it is so small. An 8 deck game only deserves to be wonged, or tracked, and playing other players hands with ploppies if possible. $100 can make a good flat bet, but cause you so much attention in that part of the country you might as well tatoo a C on your forehead, or CEO. You CAN play all if you track and get the cut. They can cut 4 out of 8 off to make sure you have as much crap burried so deep the frost won't touch it! ;>
Do you see any players that avoid the CSM's? Which ones are CSM's now?
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Be careful what you wish for, it may just come to pass! ;> I used to love the 99 cent breakfast they offered. Two eggs, three strips of bacon, toast with jam, a slice of tommy toe, and fried tatters. That got killed quicker than a one deck game dealt to the bottom would have! Them people out there are aweful hungry, eh? The problem with the set up there is that you can get to the food without going thru the casino.
There are only about 10 tables in the place, five on each side of the "pit." More like a seed than a pit it is so small. An 8 deck game only deserves to be wonged, or tracked, and playing other players hands with ploppies if possible. $100 can make a good flat bet, but cause you so much attention in that part of the country you might as well tatoo a C on your forehead, or CEO. You CAN play all if you track and get the cut. They can cut 4 out of 8 off to make sure you have as much crap burried so deep the frost won't touch it! ;>
Do you see any players that avoid the CSM's? Which ones are CSM's now?
back of room
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Re: Detroit Casinos
Yes all Detroit Casinos allow mid shoe entry at this time.
I am told that across the river at Casino Windsor (all 8 deck) has just gone to no mid shoe entry. I seldom go there because of border crossing grief in the last year or so.
The spin the wheel game is regular blackjack dealt from csm with a side bet of $1 - $5 that you will get a Blackjack. If you get the natural with the bet up you get to press a button which spins a wheel at the table with odds from 10 to 1000 times your bet. Now if this were still a shoe game I would assume in high enough counts it just might be worth the buck.
Yes all Detroit Casinos allow mid shoe entry at this time.
I am told that across the river at Casino Windsor (all 8 deck) has just gone to no mid shoe entry. I seldom go there because of border crossing grief in the last year or so.
The spin the wheel game is regular blackjack dealt from csm with a side bet of $1 - $5 that you will get a Blackjack. If you get the natural with the bet up you get to press a button which spins a wheel at the table with odds from 10 to 1000 times your bet. Now if this were still a shoe game I would assume in high enough counts it just might be worth the buck.
Felix Rue-de-Guerre
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CanKen-
Three hours west of Toronto? You may be a reasonable distance from the Blue Chip in Michagan City, Indiana.
6 decks, with better penetration than any Detroit/Windsor market casino. (About 1 deck off).
Much less crowded. Tables are full only at peak times.
Lower minimums. $5 except peak times, and then $10.
Close, clean cheap motels.
I live in Cleveland. Which is 3 hours from Detroit/Windsor. I have no problem driving the extra 2 to 2.5 hours to Indiana for the better game. If you're used to the Detroit/Windsor games, this will be a breath of fresh air for you.
Three hours west of Toronto? You may be a reasonable distance from the Blue Chip in Michagan City, Indiana.
6 decks, with better penetration than any Detroit/Windsor market casino. (About 1 deck off).
Much less crowded. Tables are full only at peak times.
Lower minimums. $5 except peak times, and then $10.
Close, clean cheap motels.
I live in Cleveland. Which is 3 hours from Detroit/Windsor. I have no problem driving the extra 2 to 2.5 hours to Indiana for the better game. If you're used to the Detroit/Windsor games, this will be a breath of fresh air for you.
Re: "no midshoe entry"
I played in windsor recently the "no midshoe entry" rule actually made for an interesting game. I did not do so well in the session overall but that was not because of the rule.
Here is what I think,, first choose a table where the dealer gives a decent penetration. I was told the house policy is 2.5 decks cut of. Looks like some dealers do not want to take any chances and lob 3 off of 8D shoe. Some dealers however cut off only 1.5 or even less. These seems like worthwhile games, if the shoe goes positive. This leads to the interestig part about the "no midshoe entry"
Playing during non crowded , that is the non bus crowd, hours.i found some tables with only a few other players..after about a deck if the count had not gone positive i would take my hand out but stay at the table. sometimes if the shoe really went south , the other players would also leave one by one, resulting in an early reshuffle since i could not reeter the game. During early morning hours i had my choice of a few tables to play by myself. there if i did not like the count, i simply pulled b ack and "shuffle ! ". kind of preferntial shuffling but to the players advantage and control.
the vip game is good also when they have $25 tables availble. 6D, hand shuffle, and with conversion rate, the min bet is really equal to about $15 US. same "no midshoe entry" rule b ut, you still have the same back end wonging advantage
I played in windsor recently the "no midshoe entry" rule actually made for an interesting game. I did not do so well in the session overall but that was not because of the rule.
Here is what I think,, first choose a table where the dealer gives a decent penetration. I was told the house policy is 2.5 decks cut of. Looks like some dealers do not want to take any chances and lob 3 off of 8D shoe. Some dealers however cut off only 1.5 or even less. These seems like worthwhile games, if the shoe goes positive. This leads to the interestig part about the "no midshoe entry"
Playing during non crowded , that is the non bus crowd, hours.i found some tables with only a few other players..after about a deck if the count had not gone positive i would take my hand out but stay at the table. sometimes if the shoe really went south , the other players would also leave one by one, resulting in an early reshuffle since i could not reeter the game. During early morning hours i had my choice of a few tables to play by myself. there if i did not like the count, i simply pulled b ack and "shuffle ! ". kind of preferntial shuffling but to the players advantage and control.
the vip game is good also when they have $25 tables availble. 6D, hand shuffle, and with conversion rate, the min bet is really equal to about $15 US. same "no midshoe entry" rule b ut, you still have the same back end wonging advantage
Felix Rue-de-Guerre
Well-Known Member
Re: "no midshoe entry" *LINK*
I have never back-counted once in my blackjack career, always Wong-out only, simply because I found it close to impossible to do this in the Det/Win casinos, and they are my only consistent places of practice. And now, without the ability to pull the 'ol "That's it... I'm sitting out until the dealer busts" or "Let me sit this one out to mix things up", I just don't think it's worth it. This is a shame too, I really liked Windsor.
A while back I responded to a post you had made about Niagra, in case you're interested. The thread was getting old by the time I posted, so you probably didn't think to check for additions. Here it is:
I have never back-counted once in my blackjack career, always Wong-out only, simply because I found it close to impossible to do this in the Det/Win casinos, and they are my only consistent places of practice. And now, without the ability to pull the 'ol "That's it... I'm sitting out until the dealer busts" or "Let me sit this one out to mix things up", I just don't think it's worth it. This is a shame too, I really liked Windsor.
A while back I responded to a post you had made about Niagra, in case you're interested. The thread was getting old by the time I posted, so you probably didn't think to check for additions. Here it is: